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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by handmodel »

cabalamat wrote: post #273
noodlenotes wrote: post #157

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I wonder if there's a relationship to the obesity epidemic, especially since it's not just humans that are getting larger but also lab animals, pets, and wild animals living close to humans [1]. What if we're compelled to eat more calories when we're not getting enough nutrients in our diets? This would impact any animals consuming lower quality fruits and vegetables. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2010.628

It seems highly plausible to me that that's part of the story. Another part of the story is that modern food is designed to be super-tasty: http://www.paulgraham.com/addiction.html

>That's why I don't have an iPhone, for example; the last thing I want is for the Internet to follow me out into the world.

I wonder how long that lasted

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Post by adrian_b »

orwin wrote: post #242
pembrook wrote: post #233

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This doesn’t make any scientific sense. Study after study has shown that protein and complex carbs are what reduces feelings of hunger, not vegetables. This makes sense when you consider most green vegetables like broccoli are 90% water. A meat like chicken, after cooking is only about 60% water. So if you eat 400g of broccoli vs 400g of chicken, the one that will make you feel more full is obviously the protein. Wha…

> Study after study has shown that protein and carbs are what reduces feelings of hunger Proteins and fat you mean? Also, incidentally, water do quench hunger as well. My trick to eat less when i was overweight was to drink a lot during meals.

Also in my experience, proteins & fat reduce the feelings of hunger, not carbs.

If I eat at breakfast in the morning 140 g turkey breast + 70 g cashew nuts + 3 sweet potatoes + 1 bell pepper, then I feel perfectly satiated and I feel no hunger until late in the evening, when I have next meal. Deleting either the turkey breast or the cashew nuts from that breakfast menu, makes me hungry much earlier.

On the other hand, if I eat just bread, I have to eat a very large quantity, e.g. 1 kilogram, until I feel satiated due to the full stomach, and then after a few hours I feel hungry again.

There are many kinds of food, like bread, vanilla or cocoa cream and many others, which I like very much, but which do not satiate me unless eaten in huge quantities, so I have given up on eating those kinds of food, because it is much easier to not eat them at all than to stop after eating just a small quantity.

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Post by randomsquared »

interlocutor wrote: post #224

Magnesium solved two problems for me: stiff muscles and insomnia. Scientific information about how magnesium works is hard to come by. Here's what I have been able to gather from various sources: The cells in your body need calcium to go into "on state". To go into "off state" magnesium has to go in and displace calcium. When your body is low on magnesium your muscles can't go into "off state" and your muscles become…

For me it solved insomnia. I've tried various forms, the important part is the magnesium. It is taken up by bones so magnesium status in blood isn't the best metric to use here. Really you should pay attention to how you feel. Magnesium is depleted by stress as well. It's the only drug along w/ vit D that I take, and I don't take caffeine.

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Post by jjeaff »

adsfasdfadsf222 wrote: post #334
brandonmenc wrote: post #313

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> the food tends to be highly processed and low in nutrients This type of food is - coincidentally - always extremely high in calories. But the relationship is orthogonal. You can make processed non-nutritious food that is low in calories, and you can make healthy food that is high in calories. The former happens rarely.

this is wat I eat, high calory, cheap, and very nutritious: breakfast: 6 raw eggs lemon juice (1 lemon, squeezed) 378 calories in total, of which 227 are fat and 144 protein. just enough sugar to help you digest it without bloat. awesome anabolic effects from the eggs. lunch: 6 raw eggs 200ml whole unhomogenised milk (raw if possible) similar effect but even more anabolic dinner: 200-300g of fresh steak (beef) cooked…

Where do you get your eggs? Or is the salmonella part of the weight control?

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Post by mpfundstein »

nate_meurer wrote: post #181
rpmisms wrote: post #141

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> We're all vegetarians and do pretty well on fiber Thank you for not making your kids be vegan. It's extremely hard to get kids proper nutrients on a vegan diet. Related: Milk has good magnesium content, more so if grass-fed. If you can get raw milk from a local small farm, it's worth it.

I've imposed some dietary restrictions on my kids, but they're mostly glycemic in nature. - No sugary drinks; absolutely no soda pop, ever, and very little fruit juice, which is really no better than pop. - No sugary breakfasts. Breakfast cereal is fucking poison, especially the sweetened varieties. - No kids-menu food. When we eat out, they've always ordered off the adult menu. No pizza, chicken nuggets, mac-n-chees…

sometimes a pizza or a coke is not a bad thing you know. if you put all the bad stuff away, there might just come the time when your kids have enough of your rules and rebel and then begin to compensate and overuse those stuff.

been there, done that

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Post by jjeaff »

stuaxo wrote: post #238
alaffere wrote: post #220

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> What if we're compelled to eat more calories when we're not getting enough nutrients in our diets? From what is starting to be known about hunger drives from animal studies [1] this is essentially correct. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221457451...

Completely unscientific - but when you see programs on TV about people that eat a lot, the food tends to be highly processed and low in nutrients, I've been wondering the same thing.

That's because you can't get super fat without either a lot of hard work or by eating calorie dense, processed foods.

Most foods found in nature will fill you up long before you can eat enough to gain hundreds of pounds.

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Post by karlkloss »

cartoonworld wrote: post #296
wincy wrote: post #26

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Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Chiming in to second this. I've had anxiety problems most of my life, and when a death in the family shook everything it got really, really bad. I tried everything I could think of except prescription meds (maybe should have, but I didn't like the side effects or addictive potential) and one day while lurking I read a random comment on HN about magnesium. I decided, Why not, its cheap, and it has had a truly profound…

You could also try quinine. I recently discovered that drinking a glass or two of bitter lemon, bitter orange or tonic water a day helps with my muscle tremors. Magnesium doesn't help much.

Side effect is the high sugar intake, which concerns me somewhat. I can't stand most artificial sweeteners, so drinking light products is no alternative.

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Post by jjeaff »

cartoonworld wrote: post #296
wincy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Chiming in to second this. I've had anxiety problems most of my life, and when a death in the family shook everything it got really, really bad. I tried everything I could think of except prescription meds (maybe should have, but I didn't like the side effects or addictive potential) and one day while lurking I read a random comment on HN about magnesium. I decided, Why not, its cheap, and it has had a truly profound…

What type of muscle spasms were you having? My spouse has high anxiety, some depression, and a persistent issue of localized muscle spasms or twitches in her arm when their anxiety is extra high.

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Post by viburnum »

bpodgursky wrote: post #333
viburnum wrote: post #28

I know geeks love Norman Borlaug, but there was a catch: the new high-yield varieties are dependent on fertilizers made from fossil fuels. These plants grow fast and have more carbs and less of everything else. There needs to be a second Green Revolution, this time sustainable.

Norman Bourlag's primary breakthrough was to cross-breed to increase yields of wheat. Wheat was never supposed to be where people get their micronutrients; wheat provides a baseline of carbs and a moderate amount of protein (to supplement some other primary protein source).

Right, but around the world the green revolution crops displaced more nutritious staple foods like millet and sorghum.

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Post by [deleted] »

lucb1e wrote: post #171
Waterluvian wrote: post #64

I’m not arguing against these findings but the whole subject of nutrition leaves me frustrated at times. Ever tried to have 100% daily recommended intake of every nutrient? I suspect almost nobody achieves that. And yet, despite this, and magnesium issues among likely many other issues, our species has never lived longer, grown taller, survived infancy, etc. more than we have now. That being said, as we understand an…

> Ever tried to have 100% daily recommended intake of every nutrient? I take soylent (that is, a European fork of it) with some regularity. Mainly out of laziness, but also I hope that it's good for whatever I might have been deficient in when eating other foods. It doesn't reduce how healthy I try to eat, but with a picky partner and semi-picky self, it probably helps. It's also just convenient. Would recommend. The…

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