The title of the article is “Challenges in the Diagnosis of Magnesium Status”
Changed now—thanks. Submitted title was "Vegetables have become far less nutritious".
Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status
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#282I understand this seems mostly to be about soil depletion. I'm curious more generally if vegetables are also less nutritious because they are selectively bread for high water content and size. For example, its appeared to me for years that you vegetables you get on a Subway sandwich must have almost no nutritional content. They are all way paler than you'd normally see, and super watery. Thinking about it, I suppose…
I recall someone complaining about this at one point. Their model was this: Most of the nutrients in the fruit come from the plant, not the ground. Since we are breeding for a higher ratio of fruit to plant size (dwarf plants, supersized fruits, sometimes both), there is less to put into the fruit. Also fungi provide most of the nutrients to plants, and tilling slowly destroys the soil life, leaving mineral soils, in…
Isn't it bacteria that provides most of the nutrition a plant needs. Fungi contributes in a wide variety of ways but plants can thrive without a fungi presence.
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#283From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…
I wonder if there's a relationship to the obesity epidemic, especially since it's not just humans that are getting larger but also lab animals, pets, and wild animals living close to humans [1]. What if we're compelled to eat more calories when we're not getting enough nutrients in our diets? This would impact any animals consuming lower quality fruits and vegetables. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2010.628
I was fat and had serious joint and muscle pain and major migraines.
I started taking high levels of magnesium. My joints and muscles improved drastically. Migraines cut in half.
I became able to exercise a lot more. I’m still fairly fat because I eat to much. Plus side effects of other medications.
But I’m a lot stronger now since I can work out so much more.
Best trick of all. Stop eating sugar / carbs.
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I think the warning should be "If you're not a doctor, don't play at one".
Not everyone can afford a good doctor, so experimenting on their own might be the only way to fix something. People have been hacking their CPAP machines for awhile even though it could kill them.
I can afford good doctors. They are 90% waste of time. 10% life saving.
Good Support groups are far better for your health. Although it often boils down to cut carbs.
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When my grandparents told me that chicken tastes less good nowadays I thought they were just old and had lost their sense of taste. Actually they were right though.
Everything tastes less good nowadays. When I was a kid, we used to eat tomatoes like apples, just biting into them, maybe with some salt. Nowadays supermarket tomatoes taste like water.
Growing my own tomatoes this year has made grocery store made those grocery tomatoes seem like fake tomatoes that have no flavor. The small cherry ones in the plastic boxes are at least sweeter a lot of the time.
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#286When we moved to the Bay Area, I started going to the farmers markets and was blown away by the quality of the vegetables. Peas grown at Iacopi Farms in Half Moon Bay were crisp and sweet. Zuckerman's Farm grew a special kind of squash bred specifically for flavor (honeynut squash). Fresh plums pulled off of trees in San Francisco were just bursting with juice. Mashed potatoes made from La Ratte potatoes. And Delta a…
A good example of this is "good" Tomatoes versus the slimy, gooey, tasteless thing you find in supermarkets. It's like a completely different vegetable. Personally, i feel like something is "unbalanced" or missing in me as i get these flashes of "waking up" not to some euphoria or bliss but just clarity that feels "normal" that sometimes lasts for hours. I'm pretty sure most people are deficient in various "hard to m…
I actually got a blood test this week checking various nutrients and vitamins (due to some tingling in my toes and fingers). Turns out that, while I wasn't deficient, I was on the extremely low end of B-12. Hoping it'll make me feel better in other ways since I've been given a supplement to help fix that.
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For anyone taking magnesium supplements that have found it helpful, did you ever get a blood test to look at your magnesium levels and did they say you were deficient based on the reference ranges?
Unfortunately, that is what lots of people do not do. Noticed it recently with Vitamin D where everyone was like: "There is much deficiency, there are no down sites, let's all take it." And I was like: "Sure, there are probably benefits, but for people with actual deficiency. There is a test for that, why don't you do that?" But at that point, it was too late because you can't test for a deficiency once you supplemen…
I don't disagree with anything you wrote except to say that in Canada & USA the medical system (insurance, etc.) presumes everyone is vitamin D deficient, and so usually testing is not covered unless there is some other pressing concern. So, most people don't get tested.
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Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…
The RDA on Magnesium is almost never there on multivitamin formulas and so should be added separatedly, I can't really feel that (significantly) it helps for anxiety or jittery though, same goes for theanine, in fact theanine makes my jittery/anxiety worse. Best for jittery/anxiety is taurine, at around 2 grams per each 100mg of caffeine, YMMV. I've noted overall anxiety got noteacible better when I added DHEA, I'd g…
This NIH info may be useful for people looking for RDAs:
"Vitamin and Mineral Supplement Fact Sheets" [https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/list-VitaminsMinerals/]
For example, the Mg page lists RDA's by sex and age: [https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-Consumer/]
It recommends 400-420mg/d for adult males, 310-320 for women (matches the # on my MVM container)
(I found this quickly by starting at the MedlinePlus front page, recommended to me by an Info specialist at a major medical center. Well laid-out readable access to a lot of vetted info from the U.S. National Library of Medicine.)
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#289Plants in the wild are in a continuous battle against insects, molds and fungi and herbivores. They excrete assorted defensive chemical and build others into their tissues.
A 'pet' plant is protected against a large number of these attacks = it makes less of them. A number of these affect taste and flavor as the herbivore defences are turned off. Caterpillars are herbivore BTW.
So these pet plants become more pure pulp.
These are my speculations. but I think they are worth studying. Loss of Magnesium is a known decline caused by over use of magnesium by the plants grown and there has not been selective magnesium fertilisation. They should study some of the common rocks to see which ones are suitable to be ground up and added to the soil.
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Does it need to be whole?
Does not need to, but the whole variety is usually highest quality because the producer cannot hide the defects. Think about tea or tomatoes: the more you grind it down, the more you can mix in lower quality tiers. One exception I know of is porcini mushrooms: the most expensive are whole halfs, because you can actually see there's no worms in it. Also for mushrooms dried is really good, but obviously the texture is…
yes this. i used to be able to buy canned tomatoes that came out whole, nowadays it's ALL diced. I know their tricks but they won't even sell it hahah