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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by Xcelerate »

When we moved to the Bay Area, I started going to the farmers markets and was blown away by the quality of the vegetables. Peas grown at Iacopi Farms in Half Moon Bay were crisp and sweet. Zuckerman's Farm grew a special kind of squash bred specifically for flavor (honeynut squash). Fresh plums pulled off of trees in San Francisco were just bursting with juice. Mashed potatoes made from La Ratte potatoes. And Delta asparagus — wow.

Now that we've left the Bay Area, I find that I'm even more disappointed by grocery store vegetables than I used to be. The vegetables are dry, wilted, flavorless — repugnant even. No wonder children don't want to eat them. Seriously considering setting up a miniature green house and growing my own stuff at this point.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by rdedev »

xyzzyz wrote: post #22
esquivalience wrote: post #4

From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Can it be solved by simply adding more magnesium to the fertilizer?

Veritasium did a video on this topic of vegetables becoming less nutritious

https://youtu.be/Yl_K2Ata6XY

He argues that the increased CO2 in the atmosphere is making the plants grow faster. This is making the plants produce more carbs wet to other nutrients, making the plant less nutritious compared to the past

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by fasteo »

wincy wrote: post #26
esquivalience wrote: post #4

From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

You may want to add theanine to the mix in a 2:1 mag:theanine ratio. It will improve you anxiety even further

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

lamontcg wrote: post #83

> Magnesium deficiency can be attributed to common dietary practices, medications, and farming techniques, along with estimates that the mineral content of vegetables has declined by as much as 80–90% in the last 100 years. This is why, when people defend GMOs with the argument that we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for hundreds of years by selective breeding, that I don't think that argument leads…

But it does help focus the discussion on whether the changes are harmful, away from “it's a change, and change is bad”.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

the_lonely_road wrote: post #77

Meta comment on this thread so forgive me. There are only 40 comments and 3 of them are top level comments stating that taking magnesium supplements cured their health issue. One is anxiety, one is sleep issues, and one is migraines. These are some of the same claims I hear from the marijuana enthusiasts on Reddit frequently. I don’t have any points to make about the observation, just noticed it and felt compelled to…

Medicine solves some medical problems, if you're taking the right medicine. (I think this is all a layperson can take away from the observation.)

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by _tom_ »

Waterluvian wrote: post #64

I’m not arguing against these findings but the whole subject of nutrition leaves me frustrated at times. Ever tried to have 100% daily recommended intake of every nutrient? I suspect almost nobody achieves that. And yet, despite this, and magnesium issues among likely many other issues, our species has never lived longer, grown taller, survived infancy, etc. more than we have now. That being said, as we understand an…

That was 20 years ago. Life spans are falling, as is height.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by guerrilla »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #94
lamontcg wrote: post #83

> Magnesium deficiency can be attributed to common dietary practices, medications, and farming techniques, along with estimates that the mineral content of vegetables has declined by as much as 80–90% in the last 100 years. This is why, when people defend GMOs with the argument that we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for hundreds of years by selective breeding, that I don't think that argument leads…

But it does help focus the discussion on whether the changes are harmful, away from “it's a change, and change is bad”.

Change in complex system is risky. Some people are risk averse.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by [deleted] »

seaorg wrote: post #37
mathgladiator wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't comment on parent due to flag, I'm studying this for my wife and the relationship to autoimmune issues. It's not just ruminant, but ruminant meat eating appropriate food. Grass fed beef versus grain fed is fascinating. Furthermore, how we raise ruminants is important for the ecosystem. When I tried carnivore diet, I can attest that the benefits are real but so is the hungering addiction from processed foods.…

I don’t see a flag… people flag my comments because they are offended by eating meat. It’s fucking unbelievable. Especially if I’m right and it’s an important medical advancement. Yes, grass fed is necessary because of the omega 3 to 6 ratio. This is even more important if you are targeting autoimmune. And don’t sleep on the organs, I have found that those are important to immune-tangential things as well. Another no…

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by cwkoss »

lr4444lr wrote: post #78
wincy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Did the glycinate formulation have a markedly better effect than more common alternatives?

Ive read people recommend glycinate because they find that salt has less laxative effects than the others

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by duckmysick »

skymer wrote: post #33
cageface wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeds are a great source of magnesium. Pumpkin seeds in particular have a lot of it and are inexpensive and tasty.

The paper says "The highest food sources of magnesium are leafy greens (78 mg/serving), nuts (80 mg/serving), and whole grains (46 mg/serving)..." So five servings every day of nuts and/or leafy greens would do it, but that doesn't sound like anybody's typical diet.

The same paper also says "[...] foods containing phytates, polyphenols and oxalic acid, such as rice and nuts, all contribute to magnesium deficiency due to their ability to bind magnesium to produce insoluble precipitates, thus negatively impacting magnesium availability and absorption."
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