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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by rpmisms »

nate_meurer wrote: post #136

My youngest daughter struggled mightily with constipation for the first six years of her life. Hours on the toilet crying, day after day. At some point when she was six or maybe seven, I read a blurb somewhere about the importance of magnesium for smooth muscle operation. That day I added a teaspoon of epsom salt to some juice and gave it to her. The next day her constipation disappeared. We all now take cheap 400 mg…

> We're all vegetarians and do pretty well on fiber

Thank you for not making your kids be vegan. It's extremely hard to get kids proper nutrients on a vegan diet.

Related: Milk has good magnesium content, more so if grass-fed. If you can get raw milk from a local small farm, it's worth it.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by gotoeleven »

ullevaal wrote: post #102
DistressedDrone wrote: post #31

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I suspect it can be solved in many different ways, but when you sell food by the pound, it's much more advantageous to distribute your limited quantity of nutrients in as much produce as possible. This seems really, really hard to regulate.

When reading comments like this, which are good-natured, and a natural response, do you ever think “wouldn’t be great if we as humans had more trust built into our systems, and people actually making a best-effort attempt at honouring that trust”? Instead of everything being a scam until proven otherwise, and even then the scam is probably just one level deeper in what triggered the interest in that product in the fi…

Sadly human nature is what it is. It seems like it would take a long time for evolution to make humans not naturally lazy, greedy, jealous and xenophobic. It's also not clear that, even in a world where resources are abundant, there would be any evolutionary pressure to not be this way.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by CraigJPerry »

The BBC more or less episode with James Wong is making me wonder if this is true (shorter summary of what James said on the podcast: https://mobile.twitter.com/Botanygeek/status/984708381507276... )

Anyway, from the paper here:

>> with estimates that vegetables have dropped magnesium levels by 80–90% in the U.S. (Figure 2) and the UK [11,12,13,32,33]

Reference 11 doesn’t support this claim.

Ref 12 doesn’t directly mention Mg but does say some nutrients have dropped between 5-40% which is NOT 80-90%

Ref 13 does mention mg specifically on page 3 but states under 20%.

…

I think i’m being fleeced by this paper.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by cwkoss »

petree wrote: post #21
hirundo wrote: post #3

I'd expect the same deficiencies to show up downstream in grain and soy fed cows, pigs and chickens. For meat eaters, that's an argument to spend more for grass fed beef, lamb, buffalo, and pastured chicken eggs. I don't know if such regenerative agriculture can scale up enough to feed everyone, but it can become a lot more affordable and accessible than it is now.

It can't scale up if it still needs to be produced in the same quantities. It takes a lot of farmland, about 80% in fact, to produce feed for livestock (especially for cattle) even with calorie-dense feed like cereals. You'd have to cut down a lot of forest to make pastures.

Permaculture techniques can often support significantly greater density than monoculture, but are often not conducive to machine harvest, so end up being much more labor intensive

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by canadianfella »

Waterluvian wrote: post #64

I’m not arguing against these findings but the whole subject of nutrition leaves me frustrated at times. Ever tried to have 100% daily recommended intake of every nutrient? I suspect almost nobody achieves that. And yet, despite this, and magnesium issues among likely many other issues, our species has never lived longer, grown taller, survived infancy, etc. more than we have now. That being said, as we understand an…

I don’t understand what your point is.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by croo »

peer2pay wrote: post #54
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #34

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Home grown tomatoes are typically much better tasting/more flavorful than the store bought ones, so I think there is probably something to this.

Although this can mostly be attributed to ripeness. Ripe tomatoes degrade extremely quickly so store bought ones are almost exclusive picked unripe and then artificially ripened at locations closer to where they are intended to be sold. This is also why canned tomatoes are generally considered superior for making tomato soups and sauces. Tomatoes harvested with the intention to be conserved are picked much riper sinc…

No. I harvest tomatoes for 4 years now, about 30-50 plants per year. The taste of a half-green-left-on-shelf-because-i-dont-wanna-throw-it-out fruit is better than anything you can get in a shop. You can tell just by the smell, no need to taste it. Sun and soil brings more to the table than led lamps and chemical fertilizers.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by pvg »

the_lonely_road wrote: post #77

Meta comment on this thread so forgive me. There are only 40 comments and 3 of them are top level comments stating that taking magnesium supplements cured their health issue. One is anxiety, one is sleep issues, and one is migraines. These are some of the same claims I hear from the marijuana enthusiasts on Reddit frequently. I don’t have any points to make about the observation, just noticed it and felt compelled to…

Oh, an observation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOs7YjSLEMk

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by patall »

briefcomment wrote: post #113
aledalgrande wrote: post #70

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This is why, countrary to common belief, vegetables that are sold frozen are higher quality than fresh ones. My brother works in the industry and says if you can buy whole (with certain exceptions) and frozen, you have the best.

Does it need to be whole?

I would actually argue no. Stuff you grow at home is never looking as good as from the store because worms, rain and so on. Strawberries or cherries that have been picked by birds, wasps or slugs are usually fully ripe. Although I agree, whole fruit make it harder to hide bad ones in there

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by bmuon »

wincy wrote: post #106
TrevorFancher wrote: post #46

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How much and which brand do you take?

I use this[0] not every day because I’ll get muscle spasms unless I eat a lot of calcium, but a few times a week seems to make a big difference. [0] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZD7R4RF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_...

If you're getting muscle spams, are you really "supplementing"?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by seaorg »

alisonkisk wrote: post #72
carbocation wrote: post #11

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Without commenting on the veracity of your claims (which I don't really believe, and because they aren't sourced, it would require a ton of effort), your writing style is very compelling.

Do you purchase a lot of products you see advertised? GP's comment reads as a cheesy infomercial sales pitch, full of confidently stated BS.

The incredible thing is that there is no way for me to not make it seem like a scam. I try. It’s not a scam. Just eat a cow.
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