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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by DistressedDrone »

xyzzyz wrote: post #22
esquivalience wrote: post #4

From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Can it be solved by simply adding more magnesium to the fertilizer?

I suspect it can be solved in many different ways, but when you sell food by the pound, it's much more advantageous to distribute your limited quantity of nutrients in as much produce as possible.

This seems really, really hard to regulate.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by greggman3 »

version_five wrote: post #27

I understand this seems mostly to be about soil depletion. I'm curious more generally if vegetables are also less nutritious because they are selectively bread for high water content and size. For example, its appeared to me for years that you vegetables you get on a Subway sandwich must have almost no nutritional content. They are all way paler than you'd normally see, and super watery. Thinking about it, I suppose…

interestingly when I worked at Jack-in-the-box in the early 80s their produce seemed much better than what I saw at the supermarket.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by skymer »

cageface wrote: post #18
skymer wrote: post #13

The paper shows that it is essentially impossible for an adult male to get the recommended DI of magnesium (420 mg/day) by eating vegetables alone. As far as I can see, the paper does not resolve whether that target is too high, or whether it can be reached by eating meat or taking supplements.

Seeds are a great source of magnesium. Pumpkin seeds in particular have a lot of it and are inexpensive and tasty.

The paper says "The highest food sources of magnesium are leafy greens (78 mg/serving), nuts (80 mg/serving), and whole grains (46 mg/serving)..."

So five servings every day of nuts and/or leafy greens would do it, but that doesn't sound like anybody's typical diet.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

version_five wrote: post #27

I understand this seems mostly to be about soil depletion. I'm curious more generally if vegetables are also less nutritious because they are selectively bread for high water content and size. For example, its appeared to me for years that you vegetables you get on a Subway sandwich must have almost no nutritional content. They are all way paler than you'd normally see, and super watery. Thinking about it, I suppose…

Home grown tomatoes are typically much better tasting/more flavorful than the store bought ones, so I think there is probably something to this.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by celticninja »

seaorg wrote: post #25
celticninja wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a bit like survivor bias though? People who are on meatrx (not familiar with the site at all) are already predisposed to thinking that this is the best thing to do, so all the positive things that occur they are attributing to their meat diet. What about the people that didn't get pregnant or who didn't regain their hair? I assume they are not posting about this outcome. I think some sort of peer reviewed…

It isn’t survivor bias when the giant red rashes all over your body go away after nothing else has worked your entire life and your doctor says that for that to happen is impossible. It’s overlooked science. But there could still be survivor bias in there to some degree. We need proper interventional studies.

My wife has psoriasis, she has recently (ish) switched to a plant based diet, her psoriasis has cleared up too. She isn't making claims that her change in diet fixed it.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by bigbillheck »

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

> For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else.

This is not supported by the historical evidence. Please see https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691160535/ev... for a popular-press telling.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by seaorg »

mathgladiator wrote: post #20
carbocation wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without commenting on the veracity of your claims (which I don't really believe, and because they aren't sourced, it would require a ton of effort), your writing style is very compelling.

I can't comment on parent due to flag, I'm studying this for my wife and the relationship to autoimmune issues. It's not just ruminant, but ruminant meat eating appropriate food. Grass fed beef versus grain fed is fascinating. Furthermore, how we raise ruminants is important for the ecosystem. When I tried carnivore diet, I can attest that the benefits are real but so is the hungering addiction from processed foods.…

I don’t see a flag… people flag my comments because they are offended by eating meat. It’s fucking unbelievable. Especially if I’m right and it’s an important medical advancement.

Yes, grass fed is necessary because of the omega 3 to 6 ratio. This is even more important if you are targeting autoimmune. And don’t sleep on the organs, I have found that those are important to immune-tangential things as well.

Another note: you don’t get dehydrated because of ketosis and glycolysis. You get dehydrated because you stop making insulin, insulin tells your body to hold on to water. The only other thing that does that is sodium. Not potassium, sodium. On this diet you are replacing insulin with sodium. Make sure to have very high fat and at least 5 grams of sodium chloride per day.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by dlsa »

throwaway1777 wrote: post #14
seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

You’re not wrong at all, and animals are an important part of the ecosystem. It’s kind of implied that the reason vegetables are less nutritious now is because we don’t use manure for fertilizer as often.

Also they often don't do crop rotation to balance out the soil. Part of that is to run animals over the land for that all important fertilizer. Also don't let the soil rest.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by xyzzyz »

DistressedDrone wrote: post #31
xyzzyz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can it be solved by simply adding more magnesium to the fertilizer?

I suspect it can be solved in many different ways, but when you sell food by the pound, it's much more advantageous to distribute your limited quantity of nutrients in as much produce as possible. This seems really, really hard to regulate.

Frankly, it seems to me like it's rather relatively simple thing to regulate. We already mandate things like adding vitamins to milk or flour. Extending this to vegetables really doesn't seem like big problem: farmers would just have to buy magnesium-enriched fertilizer.
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