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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by ullevaal »

ullevaal wrote: post #102
DistressedDrone wrote: post #31

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I suspect it can be solved in many different ways, but when you sell food by the pound, it's much more advantageous to distribute your limited quantity of nutrients in as much produce as possible. This seems really, really hard to regulate.

When reading comments like this, which are good-natured, and a natural response, do you ever think “wouldn’t be great if we as humans had more trust built into our systems, and people actually making a best-effort attempt at honouring that trust”? Instead of everything being a scam until proven otherwise, and even then the scam is probably just one level deeper in what triggered the interest in that product in the fi…

This comment was triggered by the essay “The Story of a Generation in Seven Scams” by Jia Tolentino in the book Trick Mirror, the essay also being available in audio form online. So the scam here was to get you to google that book, I wonder if my scam will convert anyone?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by gherkinnn »

lamontcg wrote: post #83

> Magnesium deficiency can be attributed to common dietary practices, medications, and farming techniques, along with estimates that the mineral content of vegetables has declined by as much as 80–90% in the last 100 years. This is why, when people defend GMOs with the argument that we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for hundreds of years by selective breeding, that I don't think that argument leads…

Most anti-GMO sentiments I encountered are appealing to nature. In which case pointing out that it’s more of the same is a valid response.

There might be other arguments against GMOs, like the one you put forth, that require different responses.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by Samin100 »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #84
wincy wrote: post #26

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Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

I have been heavy dosing magnesium (glycinate, citrate) for years and am still a nervous wreck. Your mileage may vary.

I’ve recently switched to magnesium L-Threonate which has shown to be far more effective at being absorbed by the brain and I’ve found myself far less anxious in social situations.

The L-Threonate compound was developed at MIT specifically for better brain absorption. Source: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/96066/Slutsky...

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by zepto »

slipframe wrote: post #82
krastanov wrote: post #76

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Come on, this is a bit too aggressive of a statement. On the other hand, there is some anecdotal evidence that nutrients in pills are not absorbed by our gut as well as more "naturally" delivered nutrients.

"Why do we need to drink water anyway? Why can't we all get our fluids from an IV?"

Why stop there? If you are getting fluids via IV, may as well add in nutrients.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by kadoban »

guerrilla wrote: post #97
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #94

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But it does help focus the discussion on whether the changes are harmful, away from “it's a change, and change is bad”.

Change in complex system is risky. Some people are risk averse.

Is lack of change in complex systems safe? I'd guess it's more that complex systems are inherently risky.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by nate_meurer »

My youngest daughter struggled mightily with constipation for the first six years of her life. Hours on the toilet crying, day after day.

At some point when she was six or maybe seven, I read a blurb somewhere about the importance of magnesium for smooth muscle operation. That day I added a teaspoon of epsom salt to some juice and gave it to her. The next day her constipation disappeared.

We all now take cheap 400 mg Mg supplement daily, and in the five years since she hasn't been constipated even once. Closest thing to a "miracle cure" I've ever encountered.

We're all vegetarians and do pretty well on fiber, but increasing my daughter's insoluble fiber intake when she was little was difficult, and resulted only in more bloating. But a little magnesium, whatever the mechanism, fixed her right up.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by lk0nga »

wincy wrote: post #26
esquivalience wrote: post #4

From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

The RDA on Magnesium is almost never there on multivitamin formulas and so should be added separatedly, I can't really feel that (significantly) it helps for anxiety or jittery though, same goes for theanine, in fact theanine makes my jittery/anxiety worse. Best for jittery/anxiety is taurine, at around 2 grams per each 100mg of caffeine, YMMV.

I've noted overall anxiety got noteacible better when I added DHEA, I'd guess due to changes in the cortisol to DHEA ratio.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by jonnycomputer »

the_lonely_road wrote: post #77

Meta comment on this thread so forgive me. There are only 40 comments and 3 of them are top level comments stating that taking magnesium supplements cured their health issue. One is anxiety, one is sleep issues, and one is migraines. These are some of the same claims I hear from the marijuana enthusiasts on Reddit frequently. I don’t have any points to make about the observation, just noticed it and felt compelled to…

I'll add the quiet part: it is off-topic, non-scientific, and all too typical when any discussion edges too close to health and exercise.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by mycall »

Xcelerate wrote: post #91

When we moved to the Bay Area, I started going to the farmers markets and was blown away by the quality of the vegetables. Peas grown at Iacopi Farms in Half Moon Bay were crisp and sweet. Zuckerman's Farm grew a special kind of squash bred specifically for flavor (honeynut squash). Fresh plums pulled off of trees in San Francisco were just bursting with juice. Mashed potatoes made from La Ratte potatoes. And Delta a…

Vertical farming is replacing green houses these days.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by jonnycomputer »

lamontcg wrote: post #83

> Magnesium deficiency can be attributed to common dietary practices, medications, and farming techniques, along with estimates that the mineral content of vegetables has declined by as much as 80–90% in the last 100 years. This is why, when people defend GMOs with the argument that we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for hundreds of years by selective breeding, that I don't think that argument leads…

What does this have to do with GMOs though?
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