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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by rini17 » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

version_five wrote: post #27

I understand this seems mostly to be about soil depletion. I'm curious more generally if vegetables are also less nutritious because they are selectively bread for high water content and size. For example, its appeared to me for years that you vegetables you get on a Subway sandwich must have almost no nutritional content. They are all way paler than you'd normally see, and super watery. Thinking about it, I suppose…

Depends on your definition of "poor soil". It may actually be due to too good soil, the plants grow too fast and the micronutrients get diluted.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by alisonkisk » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

carbocation wrote: post #11

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Without commenting on the veracity of your claims (which I don't really believe, and because they aren't sourced, it would require a ton of effort), your writing style is very compelling.

Do you purchase a lot of products you see advertised?

GP's comment reads as a cheesy infomercial sales pitch, full of confidently stated BS.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by jacobkg » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

One thing I have noticed over the years is that I am addicted to the taste of Costco’s Kirkland signature bottled water (similar to Dasani but nothing like bottled “spring water”)

One hypothesis I have is that my body is craving magnesium, which is one of the “minerals added for taste”.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by seaorg » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

hjek wrote: post #57

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Most of the B12 from cow flesh is from supplements given to the cows.

Grass fed liver is high in that and many other things and they aren’t given any supplement as far as I know.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by mponw » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

seaorg wrote: post #37

mathgladiator wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't comment on parent due to flag, I'm studying this for my wife and the relationship to autoimmune issues. It's not just ruminant, but ruminant meat eating appropriate food. Grass fed beef versus grain fed is fascinating. Furthermore, how we raise ruminants is important for the ecosystem. When I tried carnivore diet, I can attest that the benefits are real but so is the hungering addiction from processed foods.…

I don’t see a flag… people flag my comments because they are offended by eating meat. It’s fucking unbelievable. Especially if I’m right and it’s an important medical advancement. Yes, grass fed is necessary because of the omega 3 to 6 ratio. This is even more important if you are targeting autoimmune. And don’t sleep on the organs, I have found that those are important to immune-tangential things as well. Another no…

Grass fed is not necessary. Please check out "Sacred Cow" (https://www.sacredcow.info/book) for the latest research.

I (and many others) agree with your recommendation on sodium.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by krastanov » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

slipframe wrote: post #60

alisonkisk wrote: post #45

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Why pour it in your diet when you can put it in a pill to eat directly along with 30 other vitamins?

Because anybody with sense prefers eating food to popping pills.

Come on, this is a bit too aggressive of a statement. On the other hand, there is some anecdotal evidence that nutrients in pills are not absorbed by our gut as well as more "naturally" delivered nutrients.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by the_lonely_road » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

Meta comment on this thread so forgive me. There are only 40 comments and 3 of them are top level comments stating that taking magnesium supplements cured their health issue. One is anxiety, one is sleep issues, and one is migraines.

These are some of the same claims I hear from the marijuana enthusiasts on Reddit frequently.

I don’t have any points to make about the observation, just noticed it and felt compelled to share.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by lr4444lr » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

wincy wrote: post #26

esquivalience wrote: post #4

From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Did the glycinate formulation have a markedly better effect than more common alternatives?

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by ainiriand » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

caymanjim wrote: post #68

I wonder what the source of the nutrition information on FDA labels is. They're not assessing every batch of produce. Is the information we're told about the vitamins and minerals in our broccoli based on crops from last year? A decade ago? A century ago? Is it possible we think we're eating twice as many nutrients as we actually are?

This is a very important question, in my opinion. I am going to check how the amounts are calculated.

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Post by thaumasiotes » Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

xyzzyz wrote: post #56

alisonkisk wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why pour it in your diet when you can put it in a pill to eat directly along with 30 other vitamins?

Then the issue is to remember to take the pill. Much easier to forget than to forget to eat.

Another issue is that the effect of a nutrient can sometimes differ based on what it is consumed alongside. Pills are not necessarily as effective as supplemented food.