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Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by pwg »

carom wrote: post #127
xyst wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

My trick for paste without formatting is to throw it in the url bar and copy it back out.

Better to use notepad. The formatting goes away, and you can copy the text back out.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by spystath »

KingMachiavelli wrote: post #150

Not sure what everyone issues are. I use Teams (in the browser) on Linux and it works fine under both X11 and Wayland (with some work). A bit less polished than Slack but it also has a lot more features. The worse thing about the desktop/Electron version is that they are really bad about keeping the electron version updated so the browser version will support screen sharing on Wayland while the desktop app doesn't.

In reality the Linux and web versions are not similar to the actual Windows client. For instance the Linux version is stuck to 2×2 video streams at best, doesn't support background blurring, audio/video quality is inferior, doesn't support sharing a single window, no breakout rooms etc [0]. None of these are of any considerable importance to me but Linux or the web has never been priority for Teams nor will ever be. In fact I will not be surprised if/when Linux is dropped completely when transitioning to Webview2. Judging by the "PR-speak" [1] this is what probably will happen anyway.

[0] https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/su...

[1] https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/645...

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by pedrocr »

ethbr0 wrote: post #205
pedrocr wrote: post #75

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We were using Skype for Business before and Teams was a big improvement over that. It does video conferencing and file sharing well, with even collaborative editing of Office files working well. The chat features seem like an afterthought so if you're comparing it based on that I'm not surprised it's that bad.

> We were using Skype for Business So you mean the Lync codebase. That's a pretty low bar to start with. As one "for example", that's the product team that couldn't figure out how to stop repeating AD logins with invalid saved passwords for 5+ years. Which invariably led to a system you were signed into somewhere locking your account every password rotation.

An extremely low bar, it was incredibly poor software. The Teams migration was great compared to that, even for messaging.

For VC and file collaboration Teams seems good in absolute, for messaging it seems good only relative to that. Messaging feels like a third-priority feature in Teams. If you're coming from a good messaging experience and that's what you mostly use Teams for then it's no doubt a really poor experience.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by ezst »

bloopernova wrote: post #44

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

> Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information.

Welcome to another walled garden messaging service! At least lessons were learned..not.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by wombatpm »

unknown_error wrote: post #134
bloopernova wrote: post #60

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I have to use the Mac plain paste shortcut all the time: shift+option+command+v (Ctrl+shift+v in windows, not sure about Linux) Definitely a helpful shortcut!

Wow, that requires a lot of fingers. It's like an OS and fighting game all in one.

SiliconGraphics machines had the Vulcan death grip that took two hands to force a reboot.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by notatoad »

slashdev wrote: post #29
richardstephens wrote: post #7

Drop Electron.... for Edge Webview2. I mean, okay sure, half the memory is an improvement. But what is going on in the chat industry that everyone's converged on Electron? You'd think Microsoft of all companies would be able to figure out how to build native apps. If I want a chat service with native apps, it seems like my only option is IRC.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

really 6 distinct apps, because building native mac and windows apps doesn't mean you can drop the web version.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by isoprophlex »

nullify88 wrote: post #166
raspyberr wrote: post #103

Teams is an embarassing piece of software. I use it on work laptop - a Microsoft surface. The laptop is Microsoft branded and all their software is so slow. Clicking to change chats is 1-2 seconds of delay. Opening office files is 1-2 seconds of delay. Opening calendar in outlook is 1-2 seconds of delay. Everything is so laggy and 90% of the time all you want to see is text. Ctrl-F search through Teams defaults to no…

I've recently switched to the browser based client https://teams.microsoft.com and ditched their desktop application as I grew frustrated with its extremely slow UI. The browser client is more responsive, consumes less CPU and RAM, and uBlock some of the tracking javascript. I can live with some of the missing features: No noise cancellation Audio devices are configured via windows sound settings Can only share full…

Thanks for this! Looks to be a game changer for my productivity and sanity!

I was about to get a second device for teams. Performance has degraded so badly that it's now impossible to pretend to be in a meeting and run an IDE / office apps / factorio at the same time.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by toast0 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #41
Hamuko wrote: post #35

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> What's the underlying goal you want to achieve Performance, small bundle sizes and native UI widgets. And judging by all of the Electron apps failing in these departments, I guess you really do need native apps.

> small bundle sizes Space are not precious anymore. Nor is bandwidth.

BestBuy sells some Windows laptops with 64 GB eMMC. Space is precious on those. Chrome devices often ship with 16 GB; if Microsoft could make Windows viable at that size, they could push the absolute low end prices down a smidge and keep more users.

I get 60 Mbps down and an upgrade would be $50k. Bandwidth is relatively precious to me.

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Post by js4ever »

eloff wrote: post #92
jon-wood wrote: post #74

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If only Microsoft had a app development framework designed to allow developing apps for multiple mobile + desktop platforms with as much shared code as possible. https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/xamarin

It's really sad to me that Xamarin doesn't get more love and adoption.

It's slow, bugged as hell and the result is subpar compared to a real native app... At least it was like that when I tried it (again) 3/5 years ago

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by stephenr »

Someone wrote: post #214
qlm wrote: post #73

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Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.

History. The Mac didn’t have “paste without formatting”, and assigned ⌘-V to “paste with formatting”. Even if it had, they might have made it the default, either to show of that styles copied over, or for consistency. If you paste a picture, you don’t lose formatting, either (of the picture, whatever that means, or any text in the image) If you copied some text in MacWrite, for example, exited MacWrote, launched MacP…

And yet macOS now has paste without formatting in almost every app I can think of (it’s enough that I’d guess it’s a standard thing apps get if they use native frameworks) AND it’s trivial to remap a menu item to another keyboard shortcut across the entire OS.
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