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Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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To repeat what I wrote elsewhere: Microsoft is looking to port Webview2 to macOS and then Linux. No timeline though. So this will eventually also apply to macOS, yes. https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/131... https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/645

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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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post #55

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I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

I have to use the Mac plain paste shortcut all the time: shift+option+command+v (Ctrl+shift+v in windows, not sure about Linux) Definitely a helpful shortcut!

I wish "paste without formatting" was the default, and you had to use the contortionist keyboard shortcut to include formatting.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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post #55

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Drop Electron.... for Edge Webview2. I mean, okay sure, half the memory is an improvement. But what is going on in the chat industry that everyone's converged on Electron? You'd think Microsoft of all companies would be able to figure out how to build native apps. If I want a chat service with native apps, it seems like my only option is IRC.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

If only Microsoft had a app development framework designed to allow developing apps for multiple mobile + desktop platforms with as much shared code as possible.

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/xamarin

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

We were using Skype for Business before and Teams was a big improvement over that. It does video conferencing and file sharing well, with even collaborative editing of Office files working well. The chat features seem like an afterthought so if you're comparing it based on that I'm not surprised it's that bad.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

#76

Not really relevant but I need to vent. Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel. Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software) I lo…

While Slack displays all your organizations in a single tabbed UI, presenting you with the number of unread messages on the tab icons in Teams you need to hard switch and you never know what happens in the others. This makes Teams worse than nothing in communications because one half of the communication expects you to communicate and you are not even aware of this. You literally must jump organizations constantly , possibly needing to log in too, just to see who is pinging you.

This has been known since 2016 at least https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/su... "Support for multiple work accounts is still being worked on and will come at a later date."

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's the underlying goal you want to achieve Performance, small bundle sizes and native UI widgets. And judging by all of the Electron apps failing in these departments, I guess you really do need native apps.

> small bundle sizes Space are not precious anymore. Nor is bandwidth.

Both are very expensive on mobile.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

#78
Electron and Edge Webview2 are basically the same: they both wrap Chromium in the end, possibly with some downstream changes. So this is primarily a branding exercise, and maybe and admission that Microsoft isn't upstreaming some improvements to Chromium.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

I see where you're coming from, but Microsoft already builds an entire office sweet as native apps across 4 of the 5 platforms you enumerated.

Office is special because it's such a cash cow they can afford to make 4 different versions of it.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

#80
I had this issue with Teams where if I pasted code from VSCode (even just a 1 liner) it'd add a NUL character to the end and when pasted back into VSCode by the recipient it would mess up the JS file (no longer able to load properly in a web-browser).

Just don't understand how MS can mess up simple copy+paste so badly.

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