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Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by leejoramo »

bloopernova wrote: post #60
xyst wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

I have to use the Mac plain paste shortcut all the time: shift+option+command+v (Ctrl+shift+v in windows, not sure about Linux) Definitely a helpful shortcut!

For the cases were software or OS doesn’t support native plain text paste I create a similar shortcut in Keyboard Maestro (macOS) or AutoHotKey (Windows).

As an extra measure I configure the macro to automatically type the text and not use the direct clipboard paste. This takes care of the situations were the app prohibited pasting.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by skinkestek »

cudgy wrote: post #102

Tools like Slack and Teams are focus-killers and should be banned from all companies that want to work efficiently. The synchronous nature of these tools and the chatty blather they encourage should be avoided by all serious knowledge workers.

Compared to people calling or finding me at my desk they are extremely asynchronous.

What tool do you suggest for teams?

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by unknown_error »

everdrive wrote: post #115
xyst wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

>Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting” That's just Microsoft. I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've wanted to actually retain source formatting. But, it's the default option on almost any microsoft product out there. And, apparently, on Teams it's not an option at all.

I bet Teams secretly used Word xml style tags behind the scenes.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by unknown_error »

bloopernova wrote: post #60
xyst wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste. Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example). While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) +…

I have to use the Mac plain paste shortcut all the time: shift+option+command+v (Ctrl+shift+v in windows, not sure about Linux) Definitely a helpful shortcut!

Wow, that requires a lot of fingers. It's like an OS and fighting game all in one.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by zamadatix »

Hamuko wrote: post #22
gbil wrote: post #3

Some hope for Mac users maybe? Current state is just shit, especially for corporate users who can't just drop it https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/su...

> Some hope for Mac users maybe? Nope, Edge WebView2 is Windows-only. Unless the memory improvements are not actually tied to Electron, but rather Teams 1.0 having a shit codebase. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/#su...

WebView2 is being ported to Mac and Linux https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/645...

Linux looks like it won't happen until 2022 but Mac is first. I'd guess they are aiming to have it release around the same time as a bunch of other stuff this Fall but still can't commit to that date yet.

Regardless it'll be coming to Mac.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by chrisseaton »

ByteWelder wrote: post #119
chrisseaton wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I want a chat service with native apps But why? 'Native' is a tool, not a goal, surely? What's the underlying goal you want to achieve, and do you really need native to achieve that?

Native is not a tool, nor a goal. Native is an implication of a user experience and performance. Very few non-native applications provide the same experience and performance as native applications (although there are exceptions and it's not always black and white). "Native" is the implication that a certain level of comformity is present: the user generally gets an experience that is similar to other native applicati…

> the user generally gets an experience that is similar to other native applications

This sounds like the goal you want to achieve using native as a tool.

But anyone who struggles to grasp non-native UI and UX is going to struggle to interact with the modern IT environment as there is no standard for web-apps.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by dagw »

cudgy wrote: post #102

Tools like Slack and Teams are focus-killers and should be banned from all companies that want to work efficiently. The synchronous nature of these tools and the chatty blather they encourage should be avoided by all serious knowledge workers.

The "chatty blather" is a culture 'problem' (assuming you see it as a problem), not a tools problem. Where I'm working now we only have channels directly connected to specific projects and only people working on those projects are on those channels, and there is no project irrelevant chatter happening. There are no company wide channels and no 'off topic' channels so very little social banter takes place on Slack or Teams.

Personally I think the problem is over-rated and wouldn't mind if there was a bit more off topic chat going on in our Slack/Teams.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by failwhaleshark »

dreyfan wrote: post #42
slashdev wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

Microsoft is a $2T company, I feel like they could afford to do it right.

Balance-sheet aggregation != perfect execution consistency.

- DOS 4.0

- Microsoft Bob

- Windows ME

- Windows Vista

- JScript

- MSJVM

- Zune

- Eliminating all/most easter eggs

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2612971/microsoft-s-13-wor...

You can make many, many mistakes as a giant company, so long as they're not fatal. ;-)

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

#139

Post by cudgy »

skinkestek wrote: post #132
cudgy wrote: post #102

Tools like Slack and Teams are focus-killers and should be banned from all companies that want to work efficiently. The synchronous nature of these tools and the chatty blather they encourage should be avoided by all serious knowledge workers.

Compared to people calling or finding me at my desk they are extremely asynchronous. What tool do you suggest for teams?

Simple … email … I choose when/if I will respond on a schedule that I define and My response can be more complete therefore avoiding many of the roundtrips that these tools support and encourage. If someone needs a meeting, they can schedule a meeting from open time that I have provided in my schedule that is shared to my team.

Re: Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Electron for Edge Webview2

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Post by ksec »

slashdev wrote: post #29
richardstephens wrote: post #7

Drop Electron.... for Edge Webview2. I mean, okay sure, half the memory is an improvement. But what is going on in the chat industry that everyone's converged on Electron? You'd think Microsoft of all companies would be able to figure out how to build native apps. If I want a chat service with native apps, it seems like my only option is IRC.

Native apps means essentially building at least 5 distinct apps: windows, mac, iOS, linux, android. What a mess to work with and maintain. We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers and they're very advanced and reasonably pleasant to work with these days. If you bundle the browser (electron) then you don't have to worry about differences between browsers. So electron makes plenty of sense to developer…

>We already have cross-platfrom UI engines called browsers

Someday we compile to WASM and have UI rendering on top of WebGPU?

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