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U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by vorpalhex »

corytheboyd wrote: post #56
LatteLazy wrote: post #50

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This story [0] covers a report that they worked with the CCP to help with the Geoocide against the Uighurs. That's not exactly what you asked for, but I think it contributed to the deeper point: if you do business in China, you give the CCP what they want. If that's Uighur's hiding in cellars or a senator's affair before (s)he votes on tariffs or whatever, it doesn't really make a difference. Don't get me wrong, the…

Thank you for not responding with hostility. I do believe the goals of the Chinese government are nefarious, I mean this quote is pure insanity: > Together with the Public Security Bureau, Huawei will unlock a new era of smart policing and help build a safer, smarter society Maybe moves will be made in the future and I’ll look dumb for questioning this. In the mean time I guess I’ll go back to work so that I can pay…

Most of your tax money goes to healthcare and social security. For 2020 the HHS alone is 2x the defense budget. https://www.thebalance.com/fy-2020-federal-budget-summary-of...

2019 budget so you can exclude Corona and still see it's mostly health programs and social security - https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56324

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by ectopod »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #25
mcwhy wrote: post #21

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Facebook is 100% willing, zuck even sold his kid to them trying to get in.

I want to downrank this but even more I want to ask what exactly your thesis is here

FWIW, I assume the GP is referring to this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...

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Post by lorlou »

sschueller wrote: post #9
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

This is how European's feel irregardless if the app is Chinese or American. All your data gets sucked up by some foreign nation (private industry or government, doesn't really matter).

Then Europe should start making their own apps.

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Post by tablespoon »

lumost wrote: post #46
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #29

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> Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company) Reciprocity legislation isn’t a bad idea. Chinese companies operating in the U.S. must transfer technology to a local affiliate, pay for a DoC agent to be on site, et cetera .

Given how high profile the Chinese trade imbalances are it does make one wonder what other lopsided trade deals the US has outstanding.

> Given how high profile the Chinese trade imbalances are it does make one wonder what other lopsided trade deals the US has outstanding.

I think it's something like all of them. Being a superpower isn't free. Besides the lopsided defense commitments, IIRC, the US deliberately negotiated domestically disadvantageous trade deals in order to shape of the first world/international economic order.

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Post by dumb1224 »

yorwba wrote: post #37
dumb1224 wrote: post #28

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> ..have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company) I've never heard of this, do you have examples? I'll be happy to read about it. Normally there will be some PR/communication office under marketing sure, but I don't know what a 'political arm' could be.

It's article 19 of the Company Law of the People's Republic of China: http://mg2.mofcom.gov.cn/article/policy/China/201910/2019100... Article 19: In a company, an organization of the Communist Party of China shall be established to carry out the activities of the party in accordance with the charter of the Communist Party of China. The company shall provide the necessary conditions for the activities of the party org…

I agree. It doesn't read anything like a 'political arm' requirement. A chinese page for explanation: http://www.gongsifa.net/jieshi/gongsizhongdegongchandangzuzh...

It simply means a company should allow party members to form smallest units (if >3 people) and organise events according to party rules.

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Post by [deleted] »

Barrin92 wrote: post #20
vmception wrote: post #16

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Chinese law is incredibly anticompetitive. These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws but these laws just screw them so they exit the market, then the Chinese censors block access to their domain names as it is impossible that they are complying on the information side of things. Separate and nuanced issue, as you pointed out. But not complete.

>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not…

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Post by dumb1224 »

neither_color wrote: post #39
dumb1224 wrote: post #28

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> ..have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company) I've never heard of this, do you have examples? I'll be happy to read about it. Normally there will be some PR/communication office under marketing sure, but I don't know what a 'political arm' could be.

It's been a mandatory thing for years. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-companies/...

It's mandatory in the sense that company law provides the means of forming party units. If you have to associate that with 'political pressure' mandation then I guess it's more of a view point difference. For me the real influence doesn't have to rely on such mechanism, hence it might be a bit biased in my opinion.

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Post by bdcravens »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

> It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government

Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts are copies of TikTok, because Facebook and Google are much safer places to have our data sucked up.

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Post by CountDrewku »

sschueller wrote: post #9
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

This is how European's feel irregardless if the app is Chinese or American. All your data gets sucked up by some foreign nation (private industry or government, doesn't really matter).

Good, the difference is your government(s) actually make laws to stop this stuff. The US doesn't seem to give a shit.
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