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U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by mcwhy »

Barrin92 wrote: post #20
vmception wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese law is incredibly anticompetitive. These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws but these laws just screw them so they exit the market, then the Chinese censors block access to their domain names as it is impossible that they are complying on the information side of things. Separate and nuanced issue, as you pointed out. But not complete.

>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not…

Facebook is 100% willing, zuck even sold his kid to them trying to get in.

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by codetrotter »

MatthiasWandel wrote: post #5
rvz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok Downvoters / Flaggers: 3 Minutes. The time it just takes for the TikTok fanatics to silence me for raising concerns and criticising their platform.

Tiktok is all about Short attention span, whereas hacker news is longer attention span. I don’t expect too many tiktokers to go so far as to log in and down vote.

This is one of those ideas that some people have but which has little root in reality.

I literally both read HN a lot and watch a lot of videos on TikTok. And I also know many other people that like to watch videos on TikTok. None of whom fit into the mould you are projecting. And none of whom base their identity around whether or not they watch videos on TikTok neither.

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by skinkestek »

sschueller wrote: post #9
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

This is how European's feel irregardless if the app is Chinese or American. All your data gets sucked up by some foreign nation (private industry or government, doesn't really matter).

Agreed.

And make no mistake:

- it is one of my checks when I consider who I vote for

- I do complain to relevant authorities to the best of my ability

- I am willing to put more effort and more money behind it

- I am not alone

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For everyone who agree but haven't done anything yet, feel free to take any small step, some examples:

- contact politicins and ask them (twitter, snail mail, email, phone)

- contact local consumer protection groups

- generally be vocal about it wherever it is relevant (i.e. don't be an annoying fool): in app reviews, in a constructive way in relevant discussions in forums etc

This serves two purposes: first to make sure politicians and authorites know this is a pain point.

Secondly it also makes sure app makers gets the message.

While I will probably enjoy it too much when certain big companies get their well deserved multi million or even multi billion fines I don't generally want punishment but compliance:

I just want my alarm clock and what not that I already pay a stupid monthly fee for not to try to double dip me on top of that! (Real case, hey Alarmy! Enjoy your free advertising!)

I just don't want everyone and their dog to be aware what I disease I looked up.

Basically I just want basic decency.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

I blocked Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, Tik Tok, and Snapchat on my home network. Good riddance.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

mcwhy wrote: post #21
Barrin92 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not…

Facebook is 100% willing, zuck even sold his kid to them trying to get in.

I want to downrank this but even more I want to ask what exactly your thesis is here

Re: U.S. Commerce Department rescinds TikTok, WeChat prohibited transactions list

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Post by FearlessNebula »

nebula8804 wrote: post #12
FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

If possible you could just scrape some of your favorite tik-tokers using something like this. https://github.com/drawrowfly/tiktok-scraper I have been working on building my own client apps by reverse engineering existing apps' api and by really deciding what apps I really need. For example, I have the app for some convenience stores and I have realized that the only reason I use them is for the barcode that the app…

Wouldn’t it be easier to take a screenshot of the code in the app and just keep it in your photos?

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Post by gman83 »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #2

I really can’t stand TikTok. It sucks up so much data straight to the Chinese government, I absolutely refuse to use it. But so many good creators are starting to dabble with it, and many of my friends will send me TikTok links that I can’t open.

I have a feeling like it spiked a while ago. If I listen to my teenage daughters, they're all complaining that TikTok went downhill and it's full of creeps now.

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Post by dumb1224 »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #17
Barrin92 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a difference between the US treating TikTok or WeChat differently even compared to American companies vs the fact that China just has an entirely different legal framework. Facebook or Twitter aren't banned because they're American, they're banned because they're not willing to comply with Chinese law at all, which Chinese companies themselves are subject to . Bing operates in China, as do a bunch of other la…

Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company). No other country is so hostile to foreigners, and international pressure should be applied to get then to change this behavior. It is antithetical to free trade and free markets. It is completely understandable that foreign comp…

> ..have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company)

I've never heard of this, do you have examples? I'll be happy to read about it. Normally there will be some PR/communication office under marketing sure, but I don't know what a 'political arm' could be.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #17
Barrin92 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a difference between the US treating TikTok or WeChat differently even compared to American companies vs the fact that China just has an entirely different legal framework. Facebook or Twitter aren't banned because they're American, they're banned because they're not willing to comply with Chinese law at all, which Chinese companies themselves are subject to . Bing operates in China, as do a bunch of other la…

Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company). No other country is so hostile to foreigners, and international pressure should be applied to get then to change this behavior. It is antithetical to free trade and free markets. It is completely understandable that foreign comp…

> Chinese law is extremely hostile to foreign companies, forcing them to give up their IP and have a large operating presence in China (including a political arm of the CCP within the company)

Reciprocity legislation isn’t a bad idea. Chinese companies operating in the U.S. must transfer technology to a local affiliate, pay for a DoC agent to be on site, et cetera.

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Post by nebula8804 »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #26
nebula8804 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If possible you could just scrape some of your favorite tik-tokers using something like this. https://github.com/drawrowfly/tiktok-scraper I have been working on building my own client apps by reverse engineering existing apps' api and by really deciding what apps I really need. For example, I have the app for some convenience stores and I have realized that the only reason I use them is for the barcode that the app…

Wouldn’t it be easier to take a screenshot of the code in the app and just keep it in your photos?

Yes but this saves from having to take out the phone at all. Sorry I didn't include that context. If I can reduce pulling out my phone that is something I prefer. I am taking screenshots of the code in another app(that changes every time) and its annoying because i have to shuffle through photos and it still requires me to use the app. This is something I am still trying to figure out how I can do better.
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