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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by cogman10 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

RamRodification wrote: post #152

ergot_vacation wrote: post #81

Over the past decade, software updates in general have mostly become another form of malware, as software makers care more about extracting money from their users or adding pointless shiny features than actually making their software fast, stable, or better able to serve the user. As a result, my default policy now is "If it ain't broke, NEVER fix it." Install, then disable all updates, forcibly if necessary. On Wind…

I can never relate to these posts. I always update all my stuff pretty much immediately when I see an update available. I run Windows, so I'm talking Windows Updates, browser updates, drivers, anything and everything. It actually gives me a pleasant feeling knowing I get bug fixes, security fixes, maybe some new feature every now and then. I'm definitely naive enough to hope for performance improvements rather than w…

And yet, I see this attitude pretty frequently in the software world. I too don't understand it (All my packages move to the latest dependencies as soon as possible). It's very often not the case that things won't magically start working after a version that breaks you. From there, it's just a ticking timebomb for some random CVE to come around making your app exploitable in all sorts of interesting ways.

Yet so many software devs take the approach of "Well, this version works, so why do the next?".

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by ChrisArchitect » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

brundolf wrote: post #114

ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

An important thing that it took me a long time to realize is it doesn't search file names by default, only file contents. To search by name you have to use the 'name:' prefix. This is nonsense, but it's also easy to overcome once you know about it.

what? ridiculous, of course it searches filenames

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Marsymars » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

1_player wrote: post #105

jandrese wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Linux box runs totally find on spinning drives. I'd like to upgrade but SSDs have gotten very expensive lately. A 2TB SSD is like $300 now.

My 486 ran totally fine on 1.44MB floppy disks as well, what is your point? As I mentioned down thread, you can get 1TB Samsung SSDs right now for $80. Not the best one, still faster than a hard disk. NVMe are a little more expensive than that, and even faster. The price is not really a valid excuse. Yes, my 2TB NVMe is $300, and does sequential read/writes of 3,000 MB/s, which is close to 100x faster than an HDD. It…

> Yes, my 2TB NVMe is $300, and does sequential read/writes of 3,000 MB/s, which is close to 100x faster than an HDD.

I'd highlight IOPS. A $300 SSD is about 3000× faster than an HDD.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by marcosdumay » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Win10 is perfectly fine on HDDs. You just have to install Linux on the bare metal, and create a Win10 VM leaving at least 3GB of RAM to the Linux caches.

This is faster than W10 on bare metal with SSD and the same physical amount of RAM.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Marsymars » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:21 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #148

bionade24 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are Slack clients out there, which use a hundreth of the official one and they can run on these old machines, too. The problem aren't more ressource itensive features not possible before, but delivering a services we have for decades with way worse ressource usage because you can.

> There are Slack clients out there, which use a hundreth of the official one and they can run on these old machines, too Uhh, care to share? Asking for a friend....

Maybe referring to Ripcord. I haven't used for Slack though, I don't know what Slack's position is on third-party clients - using them with Discord is liable to get you banned.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by EvanAnderson » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

satellite2 wrote: post #133

EvanAnderson wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to find new technology to be exciting. Now, new technology (speaking about more than just software here-- appliances, cars, etc) causes me to instinctively respond with "What features, capabilities, ownership models, etc, are being taken away from me with this new thing?" I assume it's a function of my getting older (44), to a large extent. It can't all be about me getting older, though. I can't be alone in th…

I've been the same since Android removed phone recording capabilities. Internet feels slower each year and the screen space dedicated to content and not ads or popups shrinks every day. It's like in Idiocracy where the guy has a huge screen but maybe a tenth of is for the content.

I'd forgotten that TV UI from Idiocracy. Now that I see it it certainly does seem a bit prescient: https://scifiinterfaces.com/idiocracy-tv/

(Then again, sadly, a lot of that movie seems prescient...)

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:26 PM UTC

sph wrote: post #71

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

> Do you expect Windows 10 to run on a Pentium II with 512MB RAM as well, because some version of Linux does?

...Yes? What is it doing that wouldn't fit in those constraints?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

criddell wrote: post #73

smoldesu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. Booting up Win10 on an HDD can take up to 10 minutes if you have Discord/Steam installed.

Why is that a Windows problem and not a Discord or Steam issue?

Steam doesn't slow Debian (LXDE) at all, because the desktop environment doesn't require two processor cores – even though Steam is mostly Electon-based now.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #149

criddell wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that a Windows problem and not a Discord or Steam issue?

Well, in large part it has to do with how Windows loads libraries. For example, if you have two Electron apps running (eg. Discord and Slack), both will load separate libraries, effectively doubling their load on your system (scaling for each app you open). The solution is to enforce dynamic linking, like how Linux handles it. You can have Spotify, Discord and Slack all running on the same Electron library.

Aren't they using bundled/vendored versions? The OS can't help that; it's like Snaps on Linux.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

brundolf wrote: post #114

ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

An important thing that it took me a long time to realize is it doesn't search file names by default, only file contents. To search by name you have to use the 'name:' prefix. This is nonsense, but it's also easy to overcome once you know about it.

Honestly interested how this plays with Control Panel, various config screens / apps, etc.

It seems the worst offender of "type in exactly what the link / window header is titled, does not show up in results."

I haven't figured out if this stuff just isn't indexed, is de-ranked below everything else (my guess), or is using some weird non-user-visible tags that aren't named identically.