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Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by viceroyalbean »

xf1cf wrote: post #82
isatty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with an hour long lunch? Isn’t that normal?

At least in the states most places require you to "make up" your lunch. So normally you'd show up at 8 and work until 5 to make up for an hour lunch. This is true for both hourly and salary.

I think the question is whether that "make up" time is always 1 hour or can be adjusted. At my previous job I would regularly take 15 minute lunch breaks and leave 45 minutes early (compared to a 1 hour lunch).

Where I work now local laws require taking at least 1 hours of breaktime per day so I can technically not do that.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by irrational »

paxys wrote: post #17

It's an open secret at least in the tech world that absolutely no one is putting in a productive 40 hours of work a week. This was true well before the pandemic and is more pronounced than ever now. Everyone needs to be "present" for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but spends their time in pointless meetings, preparing documents and powerpoints that no one will read, faux social/teambuilding events, hour long lunches, g…

I work at a company where it is encouraged to use the fitness facilities during work hours. 15 minutes walking to one of the gyms, 5 minutes changing, an hour working out, 10 minutes in the sauna, 10 minute shower, 5 minutes getting dressed, 15 minutes walking back. That is 2 hours of my work day right there ;-)

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by irrational »

lehi wrote: post #79
isatty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with an hour long lunch? Isn’t that normal?

If I ate lunch I was expected to stay from 9 to 6.

Get a new job? Do they actually pay attention to when you show up and leave, or do they treat you like an adult?

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by AussieWog93 »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #95
AussieWog93 wrote: post #61

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> Many companies would agree if you offered them to work 3 days a week for 60% of your salary. I've done it. My last employer refused to even accept 4 days a week for 80%. Manager brought up how much the company had invested in training me as a grad (which, to be fair, they did), and that cutting my hours would have meant that investment had gone to waste. I now work for them 0 days a week. Funny how that works.

I'll never understand that concept that certain management types think they can keep you perpetually under a feeling of obligation alone.

Knowing the manager, he was extremely devoted to his work, the company and the craft. He was just holding holding me to his own standards.

I'm assuming this is a problem in a lot of organisations; the people who rise to the top are the ones who lean more towards work on the work-life balance scale.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by failwhaleshark »

isatty wrote: post #25
paxys wrote: post #17

It's an open secret at least in the tech world that absolutely no one is putting in a productive 40 hours of work a week. This was true well before the pandemic and is more pronounced than ever now. Everyone needs to be "present" for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but spends their time in pointless meetings, preparing documents and powerpoints that no one will read, faux social/teambuilding events, hour long lunches, g…

What’s wrong with an hour long lunch? Isn’t that normal?

If and when companies stop treating employees like children and more like adults who can decide for themselves when to take breaks, work, and take vacations, they might just watch productivity and morale soar. Netflix generally has the right idea on this.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by irrational »

xf1cf wrote: post #82
isatty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with an hour long lunch? Isn’t that normal?

At least in the states most places require you to "make up" your lunch. So normally you'd show up at 8 and work until 5 to make up for an hour lunch. This is true for both hourly and salary.

That’s insane. I’m in the states, but my company treats us like adults. I roll in when I want, work out in the gym for 2 hours during the day, leave whenever I want. I can’t imagine working for a place that tracked my hours.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by posguy »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #47
isatty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with an hour long lunch? Isn’t that normal?

Yea, I haven't heard of a job that wouldn't have an hour long lunch. It's a part of labor laws at least in Illinois.

This appears to be incorrect. Illinois only requires a 20+ minute lunch at or before 5 hours into a shift of 7 and 1/2 hours or more: https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/FAQs/Pages/meals-breaks-faq.a...

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by irrational »

ggm wrote: post #37
paxys wrote: post #17

It's an open secret at least in the tech world that absolutely no one is putting in a productive 40 hours of work a week. This was true well before the pandemic and is more pronounced than ever now. Everyone needs to be "present" for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but spends their time in pointless meetings, preparing documents and powerpoints that no one will read, faux social/teambuilding events, hour long lunches, g…

Australia calling: 37.5hr week please. It be law.

Still way too long.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by failwhaleshark »

RikNieu wrote: post #50
isatty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s wrong with an hour long lunch? Isn’t that normal?

No, you're expected to eat at your desk and type while chewing.

Once upon a time, I worked at a nuclear engineering consultancy. One engineer ate a hamburger and french fries over his keyboard, using it as a placemat, and never cleaned it up. In order to fix his computer, I first used a bottle of alcohol to clean the brown and black muck and hunks from the keycaps. It honestly smelled like a dumpster.

Re: Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

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Post by failwhaleshark »

mstuyt wrote: post #97
Svperstar wrote: post #89

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No lie my first job out of college expected you to eat at your desk and not leave for your lunch break.

An insurance company I did some work for had a bell go off for your two coffee breaks and lunchtime. You spent half of your lunchtime waiting for elevators.

Whaaaat? What year, country, and/or location was this? Call center?
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