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Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by rdpintqogeogsaa »

nix23 wrote: post #22
tambourine_man wrote: post #13

Some vendors that didn’t support Ubuntu now do after the CentOS disaster and I’m much happier now. But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

>But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros. Why? CentOS was already a terrible choice, artificially slow release compared to RHEL, now you can choose from: -OracleLinux (pretty good..and no i don't like oracle itself...but the Wallpaper is extremely beautiful..UEK is cool too) -RHEL (free for up to 16 instances) -That new one with A -That Chinese one with the UNIX certification .....and s…

> -RHEL (free for up to 16 instances)

RHEL is free for up to 16 instances for individuals not working in a team. This is frequently ignored, but it says so crystal clear, black on white, on the developer program terms page: https://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions

> The Individual Developer Subscriptions are unsupported, intended for your individual use in your personal capacity and are not intended or supported for any other purpose. If you are interested in the Red Hat Developer Subscriptions for Teams other terms apply and please contact your Red Hat sales associate.

> [...]

> By accepting the Program Terms, you represent that you are acting on your own personal behalf and not as a representative or on behalf of an entity [...]

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#42

Post by Saint_Genet »

mekster wrote: post #15
robert_foss wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say this is pretty fair considering that a fair amount of serious issues can be expected for the first ever release of a distro.

And yet, ironically people like it better than CentOS stream? People are making such a big fuss about CentOS getting slightly closer to Fedora.

Stream type systems are pretty much a non-starter in high security and safety critical applications.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#43

Post by viraptor »

nix23 wrote: post #37
viraptor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's healthy for everyone to have a competition. I want successful Debian even though I'm running CentOS these days. But really, it doesn't look like you're in the market for it. Some solutions welcome slow releases - many users will list that as a benefit. Even more these days with containerised apps.

>It's healthy for everyone to have a competition Recompile src-files and exchange a branding is not really what i call "competition" >I want successful Debian Debian IS successful. >But really, it doesn't look like you're in the market for it. Some solutions welcome slow releases That's not what is said nor meant, if for example RHEL 8.2 was released it took CentOS sometimes up to 6 month to release their 8.2 counter…

> in the meantime the newest patch (let's say for OracleDB) is just compatible/certified for 8.2, but you sit for 6 month on a centos 8.1.

Is this a real scenario? Can you point to a product officially compatible with CentOS, with a patch released only for rhel 8.2 and ignoring CentOS 8.1?

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#44

Post by wishigotitfree »

jaboutboul wrote: post #32

You should also look into AlmaLinux ( https://almalinux.org ) which released 8.4 Stable quite a while ago already. Super experienced team and they also established a true non-profit to avoid what happened to CentOS in the past.

Seconding this. As someone who's depended on CentOS for years, I like how AlmaLinux has been set up so far. The fact that it's the CloudLinux people who made this is also a plus.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#45

Post by christophilus »

If you have no dependency on a specific distro, what distro would you choose for your servers? I’m leaning towards Debian at this point.

On my laptop and desktop, I run Fedora and Arch, though, so keeping that consistent with my servers might be nice.

For that reason, I’ve been thinking of kicking the tires on Debian testing / sid for the laptop.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#46

Post by nix23 »

viraptor wrote: post #43
nix23 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's healthy for everyone to have a competition Recompile src-files and exchange a branding is not really what i call "competition" >I want successful Debian Debian IS successful. >But really, it doesn't look like you're in the market for it. Some solutions welcome slow releases That's not what is said nor meant, if for example RHEL 8.2 was released it took CentOS sometimes up to 6 month to release their 8.2 counter…

> in the meantime the newest patch (let's say for OracleDB) is just compatible/certified for 8.2, but you sit for 6 month on a centos 8.1. Is this a real scenario? Can you point to a product officially compatible with CentOS, with a patch released only for rhel 8.2 and ignoring CentOS 8.1?

Yes here an example:

>Minimum supported versions: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.2: 4.18.0-193.el8.x86_64 or later

https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/2...

>product officially compatible with CentOS,

Ehh, that's the point of CentOS being the same as RHEL...bug for bug

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#47

Post by nix23 »

rdpintqogeogsaa wrote: post #41
nix23 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros. Why? CentOS was already a terrible choice, artificially slow release compared to RHEL, now you can choose from: -OracleLinux (pretty good..and no i don't like oracle itself...but the Wallpaper is extremely beautiful..UEK is cool too) -RHEL (free for up to 16 instances) -That new one with A -That Chinese one with the UNIX certification .....and s…

> -RHEL (free for up to 16 instances) RHEL is free for up to 16 instances for individuals not working in a team . This is frequently ignored, but it says so crystal clear, black on white, on the developer program terms page: https://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions > The Individual Developer Subscriptions are unsupported, intended for your individual use in your personal capacity and are not intended or sup…

True, thanks for clarification.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by derekp7 »

christophilus wrote: post #45

If you have no dependency on a specific distro, what distro would you choose for your servers? I’m leaning towards Debian at this point. On my laptop and desktop, I run Fedora and Arch, though, so keeping that consistent with my servers might be nice. For that reason, I’ve been thinking of kicking the tires on Debian testing / sid for the laptop.

Personally the reason I use a RHEL based distro on servers is due to third party tools that target RHEL, and also I am heavily invested in a personal knowledge base on the RHEL specifics such as how they implement SElinux, etc. Therefore I run Fedora on my personal workstations so that when a new release of RHEL comes out, I already know it.

But now I'm seeing more items target Ubuntu first. For example a colleague at work wanted me to get an overview of Swift -- for the longest time I couldn't get it for RHEL or Fedora, but could for Ubuntu. And a number of tutorial articles assume using Debian or Ubuntu. My main issue with Debian based distros is the package manager doesn't track enough metadata about packages (a lot is stored in a sequential log file that can get purged/rotated out, but isn't in a package database, such as install date/history/rollback information). That, and packages on RHEL / Fedora tend to install without needing input (they have sane defaults that you customize after), they also don't auto-enable when installing (so you have more control), etc.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

#49

Post by viraptor »

nix23 wrote: post #46
viraptor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in the meantime the newest patch (let's say for OracleDB) is just compatible/certified for 8.2, but you sit for 6 month on a centos 8.1. Is this a real scenario? Can you point to a product officially compatible with CentOS, with a patch released only for rhel 8.2 and ignoring CentOS 8.1?

Yes here an example: >Minimum supported versions: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.2: 4.18.0-193.el8.x86_64 or later https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/2... >product officially compatible with CentOS, Ehh, that's the point of CentOS being the same as RHEL...bug for bug

If you pay for Oracle, why would you run on promises? I get that the lag is disappointing, but "compatible with RHEL" is not the same as "compatible with RHEL and distributions that claim compatibility with it".

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by derekp7 »

viraptor wrote: post #21
spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

> I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029? I'm not sure that's a fair question to a new project. If you asked that recently about Windows 10, you'd have a different answer than today. But seriously, Rocky was started by the person doing CentOS before and unhappy with changes. They're at the very least not planning to go away.

Also take a look at their principal sponsors list. It includes AWS and Google cloud. They would both have an invested interest in keeping a supported free RHEL clone around.
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