Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1 • Hacker News Board

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by sofixa » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:14 AM UTC

teruakohatu wrote: post #9

So are Red Hat source packages still available? What incentive does IBM have to make them available? The source code of the applications, sure. But why the source rpms? Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat?

> Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat?

Because RHEL is a known distro many vendors test for and allow. Having compatibility with it is a huge boon for adoption, since you can just use lots of software. If you do a distro from scratch, you're on your own.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by tssva » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:16 AM UTC

bexsella wrote: post #4

patchtopic wrote: post #2

available for 2 weeks.. I installed it on a VM for a quick look and promising so far.

More than two weeks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27304012

Rocky Linux's first release candidate was for 8.3. According to the news section at the Rocky Linux site the RC1 for 8.4 was released on June 4th.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by tambourine_man » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:28 AM UTC

Some vendors that didn’t support Ubuntu now do after the CentOS disaster and I’m much happier now. But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:30 AM UTC

teruakohatu wrote: post #9

So are Red Hat source packages still available? What incentive does IBM have to make them available? The source code of the applications, sure. But why the source rpms? Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat?

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Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by mekster » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:37 AM UTC

robert_foss wrote: post #7

mfontani wrote: post #5

> Upgrading [...] from a release candidate to a stable release will not be supported Why does this distro make it hard for people to use it?

I'd say this is pretty fair considering that a fair amount of serious issues can be expected for the first ever release of a distro.

And yet, ironically people like it better than CentOS stream?

People are making such a big fuss about CentOS getting slightly closer to Fedora.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by fragbait65 » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:42 AM UTC

mekster wrote: post #15

robert_foss wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say this is pretty fair considering that a fair amount of serious issues can be expected for the first ever release of a distro.

And yet, ironically people like it better than CentOS stream? People are making such a big fuss about CentOS getting slightly closer to Fedora.

That's not what this is about.

The scientific community cannot run a distribution with "unneeded" updates to libraries.

That goes for other organizations as well.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by spapas82 » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:43 AM UTC

Two questions pop into my mind:

A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux?

B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by maxnoe » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:45 AM UTC

mfontani wrote: post #5

> Upgrading [...] from a release candidate to a stable release will not be supported Why does this distro make it hard for people to use it?

Please cut them some slack for this. It is not like this is the rc for the next version of a long running distribution. It is the first ever release using a from scratch implemented build infrastructure.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by chousuke » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

You can convert between any RHEL-like distro by changing your repos, swapping/removing a few key packages (release, branding, subscription-manager certs if converting from RHEL) and then running distro-sync to make sure your other packages match your repositories. This can be done transactionally via the "shell" subcommand which allows you to run multiple commands in a single transaction.

YUM/DNF can do the whole thing without much fuss.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by mrweasel » Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 11:24 AM UTC

maxnoe wrote: post #18

mfontani wrote: post #5

> Upgrading [...] from a release candidate to a stable release will not be supported Why does this distro make it hard for people to use it?

Please cut them some slack for this. It is not like this is the rc for the next version of a long running distribution. It is the first ever release using a from scratch implemented build infrastructure.

People have been treating Rocky as a done deal, a ready to go CentOS replacement for months. It will be very soon, hopefully, but the developers haven’t claimed to ready.

Using Rocky Linux as a basis for a long term production system is still a few months or perhaps a year into the future, and people need to let the team get everything in place before complaing that they can’t seemlessly move from one free OS to another.