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Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by viraptor »

spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

> I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

I'm not sure that's a fair question to a new project. If you asked that recently about Windows 10, you'd have a different answer than today.

But seriously, Rocky was started by the person doing CentOS before and unhappy with changes. They're at the very least not planning to go away.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by nix23 »

tambourine_man wrote: post #13

Some vendors that didn’t support Ubuntu now do after the CentOS disaster and I’m much happier now. But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

>But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

Why? CentOS was already a terrible choice, artificially slow release compared to RHEL, now you can choose from:

-OracleLinux (pretty good..and no i don't like oracle itself...but the Wallpaper is extremely beautiful..UEK is cool too)

-RHEL (free for up to 16 instances)

-That new one with A

-That Chinese one with the UNIX certification

.....and so on

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by chousuke »

post-factum wrote: post #6
mfontani wrote: post #5

> Upgrading [...] from a release candidate to a stable release will not be supported Why does this distro make it hard for people to use it?

"…meaning it will not be tested nor documented." Likely, you'll still be able to do it.

You will. Considering how easy it is to convert between distros with DNF (I've often wished APT had distro-sync) I'd be surprised if there were any real issues upgrading; it's most likely just left to the user's expertise to fix things should any issues arise.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by viraptor »

nix23 wrote: post #22
tambourine_man wrote: post #13

Some vendors that didn’t support Ubuntu now do after the CentOS disaster and I’m much happier now. But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros.

>But I feel for those that don’t want or can’t use Debian based distros. Why? CentOS was already a terrible choice, artificially slow release compared to RHEL, now you can choose from: -OracleLinux (pretty good..and no i don't like oracle itself...but the Wallpaper is extremely beautiful..UEK is cool too) -RHEL (free for up to 16 instances) -That new one with A -That Chinese one with the UNIX certification .....and s…

It's healthy for everyone to have a competition. I want successful Debian even though I'm running CentOS these days.

But really, it doesn't look like you're in the market for it. Some solutions welcome slow releases - many users will list that as a benefit. Even more these days with containerised apps.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by cpach »

spapas82 wrote: post #17

Two questions pop into my mind: A. How easy will it be for the unlucky people that have installed Centos 8 to convert it to rocky Linux? B. Will rocky Linux fulfill its promises? I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?

”I mean if I install rocky Linux 8.4 will I still have a supported OS at 2029?“

That question is impossible to answer with 100% certainty. There are no 100% guarantees. It all comes down to how much you trust the Rocky Linux crew and also how much you trust the project’s ability to raise the necessary funds.

There is also the option to buy licenses for Red Hat Linux.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by cpach »

sofixa wrote: post #11
teruakohatu wrote: post #9

So are Red Hat source packages still available? What incentive does IBM have to make them available? The source code of the applications, sure. But why the source rpms? Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat?

> Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat? Because RHEL is a known distro many vendors test for and allow. Having compatibility with it is a huge boon for adoption, since you can just use lots of software. If you do a distro from scratch, you're on your own.

This. Amazon probably believes that doing their own distro would be both harder and more expensive.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by cpach »

pantalaimon wrote: post #10
robert_foss wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say this is pretty fair considering that a fair amount of serious issues can be expected for the first ever release of a distro.

But isn't this just Red Hat with the name changed?

Kinda sorta yeah. But I guess the Rocky project still needs to set up their own build servers, CI/CD, package repositories and that kinda stuff.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by mekster »

fragbait65 wrote: post #16
mekster wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, ironically people like it better than CentOS stream? People are making such a big fuss about CentOS getting slightly closer to Fedora.

That's not what this is about. The scientific community cannot run a distribution with "unneeded" updates to libraries. That goes for other organizations as well.

That's for those who can't pay for RHEL subscriptions and they have such critical experiments going on that getting updates earlier than RedHat screws them up?

They can surely opt out of updating automatically and only apply updates after reading the changelogs.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by viraptor »

chousuke wrote: post #23
post-factum wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"…meaning it will not be tested nor documented." Likely, you'll still be able to do it.

You will. Considering how easy it is to convert between distros with DNF (I've often wished APT had distro-sync) I'd be surprised if there were any real issues upgrading; it's most likely just left to the user's expertise to fix things should any issues arise.

It's easy to convert between distros based on RH. The package manager is coincidental. You wouldn't have as smooth conversion between SL, Fedora, and Suse for example.

Re: Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1

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Post by viraptor »

teruakohatu wrote: post #9

So are Red Hat source packages still available? What incentive does IBM have to make them available? The source code of the applications, sure. But why the source rpms? Why doesn't Amazon and friends just make a dist that is not tied to Red Hat?

Amazon is already releasing Amazon Linux AMIs which are similar to rhel, but you're not supposed to expect any compatibility. They're branching the behaviour off when needed.
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