Not entirely related, but at the end of the 90s, just before the big Y2K, I was living in San Francisco, and interviewed at a residential house with some guy who was in the business of popups. The malware of that time. The job was to basically to do WHATEVER it takes to make those popups pop. No rules, anything goes, dirty tricks and all. Hated popups. Didn't take the job.
How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards. You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can rea…
I'm not sure why people are down voting you. They disagree with the law? The law exists. He broke it. If you don't like it, work to change the law. I got a speeding ticket - can I get a bunch of up votes because no one likes to get a speeding ticket? As an aside, Americans like to think they live in a bubble. Like their actions are independent from everyone else's and my bad decisions don't impact other people. This…
Oh I hate those with all my guts. And no, they're not good for the neighborhood. They're good for destroying whatever little self respect and dignity people have left. I wish those control HOA freaks will go to /dev/null .
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#133This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
It doesn't say what these coders make. But, as with the dealers, it's likely tax free, so even "minimum wage" is better than it sounds.
Presumably there in cities with "drug problems", there are also a steady stream of relatively young kids with limited options, and no desire to stay in school.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#134This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
It's common in a fair number of places: professional sports, music, book writing (among those doing it for money), acting, law (to a lesser degree). The very top does well, even very very well. Most everyone else scrapes by--if that. Most professional jobs aren't like that. Sure senior execs can make an outsized amount of money but most of the rank and file are still doing OK.
Though I recall ~20 years ago that MLB players on league minimums (~70k/yr) were able to collect state unemployment benefits during the off season.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#135In many of Krebs' other articles the criminals are men in their 50s or 60s, but this has never warranted a passing mention or any sympathy. Should she get a lighter sentence for being a woman? Don't we all want equity in software development and elsewhere? Until half of all criminal ransomware developers, and half the prison population, are women, it would seem we have a problem as a society. This is actually a great…
It reads instead to me as paternalistic and honestly verging into weirdly misogynistic. More a tone of How did this mere mother manage to get involved in crime?
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._j... Marijuana is legal or decriminalised in most of the developed world, including the USA. It's widely accepted to be relatively harmless, much less harmful than alcohol. This guy? He was an entrepreneur, just another person running a small business with a couple of employees. He didn't deserver a long jail sentence for someone else's fuck up. Just because…
What do we call entrepreneurs that break the law? Criminals.
And yes. Money talk. The less money one has the less chances to get justice.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#137In many of Krebs' other articles the criminals are men in their 50s or 60s, but this has never warranted a passing mention or any sympathy. Should she get a lighter sentence for being a woman? Don't we all want equity in software development and elsewhere? Until half of all criminal ransomware developers, and half the prison population, are women, it would seem we have a problem as a society. This is actually a great…
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards. You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can rea…
I'm not sure why people are down voting you. They disagree with the law? The law exists. He broke it. If you don't like it, work to change the law. I got a speeding ticket - can I get a bunch of up votes because no one likes to get a speeding ticket? As an aside, Americans like to think they live in a bubble. Like their actions are independent from everyone else's and my bad decisions don't impact other people. This…
People are allowed to be upset with how the law is unevenly applied.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#139Wait hang on, that cliff hanger though >"Multiple security experts quickly zeroed in on how investigators were able to retrieve the funds, which did not represent the total amount Colonial paid (~$4.4 million): The amount seized was roughly what a top DarkSide affiliate would have earned for scoring the initial malware infection that precipitated the ransomware incident." I'm not quite sure what this implies? That th…
>I'm not quite sure what this implies? That the team who did the initial infection was in fact some sort of FBI undercover? I suppose that's one of the many possibilities that are implied, but its not even close to the most likely. I think its more likely that some of the attackers' systems or accounts were compromised (AKA hacked).
Does it not sound weird that a cybercrime gang would leave a hot wallet on some random VPS? That seems incredibly unlikely.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#140Wait hang on, that cliff hanger though >"Multiple security experts quickly zeroed in on how investigators were able to retrieve the funds, which did not represent the total amount Colonial paid (~$4.4 million): The amount seized was roughly what a top DarkSide affiliate would have earned for scoring the initial malware infection that precipitated the ransomware incident." I'm not quite sure what this implies? That th…
>I'm not quite sure what this implies? That the team who did the initial infection was in fact some sort of FBI undercover? I suppose that's one of the many possibilities that are implied, but its not even close to the most likely. I think its more likely that some of the attackers' systems or accounts were compromised (AKA hacked).