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How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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You undergo polygraph to join FBI, no? Seems like a bad idea to start under false pretenses.

Polygraphs are bogus pseudoscience.

While that may be the case, it is probably not the best idea to lie to federal investigators when applying for a role as a federal investigator.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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It's common in a fair number of places: professional sports, music, book writing (among those doing it for money), acting, law (to a lesser degree). The very top does well, even very very well. Most everyone else scrapes by--if that. Most professional jobs aren't like that. Sure senior execs can make an outsized amount of money but most of the rank and file are still doing OK.

Law is more bimodal than a pyramid. All those other ones you mentioned rely on popularity to determine one's paycheck, which is why they are all pyramids.

Are the two modes partner/partner-track and everyone else? I'm not very familiar with it.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Law is more bimodal than a pyramid. All those other ones you mentioned rely on popularity to determine one's paycheck, which is why they are all pyramids.

Are the two modes partner/partner-track and everyone else? I'm not very familiar with it.

It's "graduated from a top 20 school" vs everyone else. Maybe even top 10.

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While we're being honest, there's a small segment that sells because they think it cool. That whole gangster rap testosterone street $900 shoe guy. In college, I moved into a very cheap apartment. I had no idea, it was the worst part of Oakland. I saw some things that didn't make any sense. Some successful dealers had other opportunities. Most probally didn't. I was so naieve, I didn't know my roommate was selling un…

I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards. You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can rea…

The same argument applies to Turing being imprisoned for his homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with marijuana that deserves making it illegal, especially more illegal than murder, which was the point of this story!

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It doesn't say what these coders make. But, as with the dealers, it's likely tax free, so even "minimum wage" is better than it sounds.

No benefits, no social security, no resume, no references (outside the criminal world, if they even use references), no personal network (outside crime), permanent and catastrophic damage to your reputation if you are caught ... but you save on taxes!

You don't even save on taxes, because you don't qualify for the Earned Income tax credit.

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While we're being honest, there's a small segment that sells because they think it cool. That whole gangster rap testosterone street $900 shoe guy. In college, I moved into a very cheap apartment. I had no idea, it was the worst part of Oakland. I saw some things that didn't make any sense. Some successful dealers had other opportunities. Most probally didn't. I was so naieve, I didn't know my roommate was selling un…

I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards. You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can rea…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._j...

Marijuana is legal or decriminalised in most of the developed world, including the USA. It's widely accepted to be relatively harmless, much less harmful than alcohol.

This guy? He was an entrepreneur, just another person running a small business with a couple of employees. He didn't deserver a long jail sentence for someone else's fuck up.

Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's wrong / just because it's legal doesn't mean it's rigth.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Shame, I smoked a blunt 3 months ago in California. I'll try again next year!

I wonder what the stats are on how many amazing candidates they are losing because someone had an edible on a weekend 9 months ago. “Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try again in a couple of years and don’t drink!”

I was in talks with a recruiter for a large defense contractor (not Lockheed, but in that ballpark), and the recruiter bemoaned the fact that it was hard to find cybersecurity folks because of marijuana. He said it was an acute problem for their Bolder, Colorado office.

Literally the first two questions he asked me were: 1.) "You know what we do right? And you're ok with that?" 2.) "You don't do recreational drugs, do you?"

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards. You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can rea…

The same argument applies to Turing being imprisoned for his homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with marijuana that deserves making it illegal, especially more illegal than murder, which was the point of this story!

That was going to be another point I wanted to raise.

Homosexuality was illegal not so long ago, but it also harms no one and is approximately the business of only those directly involved.

And yet we used to persecute people for... what? Something we'd been conditioned to reflexively disagree with.

Shameful.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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For people downvoting me, I'd love to know why. The many comments here aren't negating what I said or explaining why I was wrong.

You're saying she's dumb because she Googles the answer.. not the part where she hosts malware on her own domain? Maybe voluntarily travelling to the US from a country with no extradition deal with the US? It's the Googling that does it haha Being able to search is a legitimate skill that relatively few have too. We will probably disagree a bunch here, I can't be fluffed to have that to and fro -- so I downvoted and…

That wasn’t what I was saying. All of the things you mentioned made her come off as not very smart. Google = skill development is a separate point I took issue with.

I also didn’t say that searching itself isn’t a skill. Of course it is. I’m saying that advertising you know how to Google doesn’t mean you can acquire any new skill, which is what the bio implied.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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You're saying she's dumb because she Googles the answer.. not the part where she hosts malware on her own domain? Maybe voluntarily travelling to the US from a country with no extradition deal with the US? It's the Googling that does it haha Being able to search is a legitimate skill that relatively few have too. We will probably disagree a bunch here, I can't be fluffed to have that to and fro -- so I downvoted and…

That wasn’t what I was saying. All of the things you mentioned made her come off as not very smart. Google = skill development is a separate point I took issue with. I also didn’t say that searching itself isn’t a skill. Of course it is. I’m saying that advertising you know how to Google doesn’t mean you can acquire any new skill, which is what the bio implied.

Then I and possibly others misinterpreted what you were saying. Personally it's the wording that did it for me, I dunno about others. I've never bumped into skill development as a phrase so it got parsed wrong I guess. Put a rogue "in" between skill and development and there's the downvote

For what it's worth because I replied my downvote was nullified

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