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How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…

I encounter often the opposite problem where I'm regularly telling people who are flailing around on Google to deal with some unexpected problem, "I don't know, but you know you will? An Oncologist/IP-attorney/electrician/etc. Instead of using Google to find a pile of amateurs' competing anecdotes, perhaps you can use it to find an actual expert who can help you?"

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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards. You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can rea…

I'm not sure why people are down voting you. They disagree with the law? The law exists. He broke it. If you don't like it, work to change the law. I got a speeding ticket - can I get a bunch of up votes because no one likes to get a speeding ticket? As an aside, Americans like to think they live in a bubble. Like their actions are independent from everyone else's and my bad decisions don't impact other people. This…

Upvote given, cheekily! I hate speeding tickets!

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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They're not really pyramids though. If you're a baseball player, you either make a lot of money by most people's standards, albeit for a possibly short career, or you basically don't make much at all, even if you can play in the minors. Law isn't quite so stark. You don't have to be at a white shoe firm to do OK (corporate counsel, prosperous practice in a smaller city) but a lot of lawyers certainly make pretty mode…

I remember reading, some years ago, about how lawyers who couldn't find work would be stuck doing document review, and they would rant on the internet about how mind-numbing, low-paid, and degrading it was. But they'd be stuck, because it was the only option to pay off student loans. I assume at some point the job was mostly offshored? It's one of those things that I wonder if people overseas would do a better job ev…

A lot of rote legal work was also automated as I understand it.

Historically, law schools were also something that folks from even elite liberal arts colleges went to because they weren't sure what they wanted to do when they "grew up." I know a lot of folks with law degrees that maybe worked as associates for a few years but ended off going and doing something else related to politics or whatever.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Law is more bimodal than a pyramid. All those other ones you mentioned rely on popularity to determine one's paycheck, which is why they are all pyramids.

Are the two modes partner/partner-track and everyone else? I'm not very familiar with it.

A bit of an exaggeration but it's went to a top 10 school, clerked at the Supreme Court or at least US Court of Appeals, made partner at a white shoe firm, and everyone else.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Answer: work on a decent Open Source, end-to-end secure messaging app that takes donations.

Many corporations sponsor open Source Projects that they rely on.

After the Anom App drug bust, organised crime should (in a rational world) become major "anonymous donors" to "Fully Secure" messaging to further their own ends.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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In many of Krebs' other articles the criminals are men in their 50s or 60s, but this has never warranted a passing mention or any sympathy.

Should she get a lighter sentence for being a woman?

Don't we all want equity in software development and elsewhere?

Until half of all criminal ransomware developers, and half the prison population, are women, it would seem we have a problem as a society.

This is actually a great step forward.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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In many of Krebs' other articles the criminals are men in their 50s or 60s, but this has never warranted a passing mention or any sympathy. Should she get a lighter sentence for being a woman? Don't we all want equity in software development and elsewhere? Until half of all criminal ransomware developers, and half the prison population, are women, it would seem we have a problem as a society. This is actually a great…

No

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._j... Marijuana is legal or decriminalised in most of the developed world, including the USA. It's widely accepted to be relatively harmless, much less harmful than alcohol. This guy? He was an entrepreneur, just another person running a small business with a couple of employees. He didn't deserver a long jail sentence for someone else's fuck up. Just because…

What do we call entrepreneurs that break the law? Criminals.

Exceptions for those that have a LOT of money...

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Most drug dealers I know just do it to achieve a lifestyle they wouldn't normally be capable of with their existing job(s).

Most drug dealers are doing it so they can smoke/drink for free maybe make a few dollars.

I don't know about most. Yeah, a lot of users peddle tiny amounts to cover their own consumption. Some dude sells a couple ounces of weed to get one free. A lot of street-level dealers don't use their product. They're hustling, it's a job. And the middlemen above them don't want them consuming the product. Junkies are not good dealers.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.

There should be a name for this type of societal organization... anyway, I have a rocketship to catch.

America?
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