Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils • Hacker News Board

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by mirker » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:15 PM UTC

dehrmann wrote: post #220

mirker wrote: post #111

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A family member had a slow windows install. I checked the system utilization, suspecting paging. Guess what: 3/4 GB of the laptop were used by windows, leaving 1GB for all other applications. Apparently, deprecation via automatic updates is in, and it comes with candy crush. I installed Ubuntu 10 minutes later.

4 GB, especially if you don't have an SSD, isn't really enough for Windows 10. > I installed Ubuntu I did this once and regretted it. Except for OS itself, nothing quite worked reliably, and you're basically the only person who can help them if it has problems.

The problem is low-end laptops ship with Windows barely working, then Windows inevitably bloats itself and more-or-less bricks the device.

I agree that many won’t like Linux due to it being different, but it’s at least functional in this case. The web browser feels the same, at least, which is enough for casual users.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tibbydudeza » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:15 PM UTC

I used to be a MacOS user for a few years until Apple decided my Dual CPU Xeon powered cheese grater Mac Pro was not going to be supported.

The linux desktop has been a mess for years so no thanks but I do use UnRaid on my fileserver.

So I went back to Windows 10 and a Dell and it was not so bad - it works for my needs - yes had some issues around Windows Update being a hit and miss affair sometimes and a recent AMD Radeon driver update on my older GPU giving me grief.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by _0ffh » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:15 PM UTC

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

If you resent the telemetry (and I agree), you might want to check out Windows 10 AME. You can even find pre-built images, AFAIK.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by snarfy » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

catblast01 wrote: post #140

neilsimp1 wrote: post #24

Well, we all know the every-other-version-of-Windows-rule: Windows 2000 - Good Windows ME - Bad Windows XP - Good Windows Vista - Bad Windows 7 - Good Windows 8 - Bad Windows 10 - Good Windows 11 - ????

Windows ME really doesn’t belong in this list. Comparing the NT lineage to the non NT lineage is silly IMHO. ME was a successor of 98, not 2000.

Calling ME a successor to 98 isn't quite fair either, considering the amount of NT that was shoehorned into ME's code base. It really was an amalgamation of both code bases.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tored » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

passivate wrote: post #250

flohofwoe wrote: post #130

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Neither Win7 nor Win10 crashes on me, but the whole "user experience" has been such an inconsistent mess after Win7, even though Win10 tried to undo the worst UX sins of Win8 it's still a far ways off from Win7. It's as if the Windows team is trying to throw random shit to the wall to see what sticks instead of trying to do slow and steady improvements. Apparently Win10 has some serious improvements over Win7 under t…

Win 7 doesn't handle high dpi properly, doesn't have secure boot, storage pools, usb 3 (IIRC), DX12, face unlock, etc. There is quite a lot of UX stuff that has changed since 7.

Windows 7 has the old network stack, can be slower in some situations.

Lots of security improvements since Windows 7 with Windows Defender.

Didn’t MS also improve font rendering?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by bserge » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

leshow wrote: post #226

bserge wrote: post #180

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I like reading these kinds of comments, but then I snap back to reality. It's easier to make Windows 10 behave than make Linux actually work properly beyond a browser and an editor.

How so? Not to start the old windows vs linux flamewar but if something in Windows doesn't work the way you want it you don't have many options. In Linux you can change absolutely everything... and people have been making it "actually work properly" for decades. This feels like just your personal experience about how some Linux distro didn't work out of the box the way you wanted.

Yeah it's a useless debate. If you're lucky to only need software that runs on Linux and you use desktop hardware, it likely works well. It certainly works great in a VM, unlike Windows.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dontblink » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

bserge wrote: post #182

pkulak wrote: post #120

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Yup. Windows runs great in a VM for the one or two apps with no Linux equivalent. Windows is just an application runtime.

If only.

Agree. I wish I could game on Linux. DX12 has really cemented the Windows monopoly. Embrace, extend, extinguish.

I have to use Windows to play. If the cloud gaming services supported Ultrawides, I may be off of it altogether.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by MisterTea » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

stinos wrote: post #157

MisterTea wrote: post #148

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2011 Windows 7 desktop install still running daily at home with no signs of slowing down. Runs everything I need, even games. Never gave me a single issue even after frankenstining with added NVMe and newer GPU. Two year old Win 10 work PC install committed suicide after updating few months back. Blue screen on boot. Spent more time "troubleshooting" that issue than reinstalling win 10 after giving up.

Well, those are 2 different PCs, so it's hard to compare them. Anyway I'm sure we all can come up with opposite stories as well, so to continue with anecdotes: unlike back in the days, blue screens (well, the ones I encounter, like 1 a year across 50+ machines of all ages) now are most often caused by actual harware failures the OS (be it Winows or linux) cannot cope with. Pre Windows-7 every stupid driver manufactur…

I've had great success with Vista too. The point is Windows 10 is no where near as stable as you have no control over the update process which may nuke your install. It's a step backwards and offers no technological advantages.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by kingofpandora » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

onychomys wrote: post #158

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

You want to ban.....the BBC?

I don't think it should be banned but the Beeb is emphatically not a good news source.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by volkl48 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

dantondwa wrote: post #223

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

Windows S mode is a tightly locked down mode that only allows Microsoft Store Apps to be used and only allows Microsoft Edge for a browser. It's basically making your computer like a Windows 10 edition of a Chromebook.

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I'm all for "you shouldn't need a Microsoft account to use your computer", but if you want to you use the locked down mode that is specifically FOR tight integration with MS's services and limiting you from everything else....needing a Microsoft account seems to make sense.

Why are you using S mode if that's not what you want?