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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by bsd44 »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone.

I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the last version of Windows that I used and even back then I wasn't happy about all the "spyware" that came with it. I can only imagine it's gotten worse since then.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by imhoguy »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #80
tomxor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or Linux + Official Windows API? :D you never know

Is there RemoteApp ability in any of the linux RDP clients? If so, there's the option of running Windows in a VM on your Linux machine, and having seamless Windows apps on your Linux desktop. It's a bit like what MS are going to offer with their WSL, but in reverse. I've never tried it, but it might work, and give people the best of both worlds.

As you wish https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps

"Run Windows apps such as Microsoft Office/Adobe in Linux (Ubuntu/Fedora) and GNOME/KDE as if they were a part of the native OS, including Nautilus integration."

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by gerash »

DethNinja wrote: post #37

Windows architecture is a mess, I wish more software companies would support Linux as cross platform compatibility gets easier each day but that doesn’t seem to be case. Unfortunately it is really hard for game development companies to develop on Linux as most of the software used by artists require Windows to function. Hopefully one day my company will be able ditch Windows completely but it might take another decad…

Linux on desktop sucks because no one is maintaining it. Yes there are freelancers and volunteers but they can take it only this far.

Linux works on the servers because lots of companies don't wanna be locked into MS offerings and pay for building all their ecosystem around Linux by their business profit.

Such business doesn't exist for desktop Linux and that's the only way to make it happen. It's also a tough job. See Android whose development has been paid for over the years still gets forked and fragmented due to the fact that apparently Linux doesn't maintain a consistent HAL (perhaps so they can refactor easily idk).

So this Linux desktop dream just won't come true when there's no stable business paying for the development.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by cpeterso »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #100
knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

"Windows Classic Subsystem for Windows"

Microsoft already has "Windows on Windows" (aka WoW): WoW16 provides 16-bit app support on Win32 and WoW64 provides 32-bit app support on Win64 OS.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

illnewsthat wrote: post #212
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

Here is the Microsoft support document that this article is based on: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-... Windows 10 Home and Pro has a "Retirement Date" listed as 10/14/2025.

Indeed, but that support information was set back in 2015. (You won't find a Wayback going that far, but only because docs.microsoft.com is a newer website.)

Furthermore, it's just the default commitment Microsoft makes to businesses when they release new software. The statement isn't really taking into account the reality of the Windows-as-a-Service approach Microsoft takes now.

For instance, Windows 10's original build, 1507, you can see, ended support back in 2017, only about two years into the lifecycle.

The next version of Windows, whatever they call it, releasing this fall, will carry the same 18-24 month support cycle, have new feature releases released every 6-12 months, and "Windows 10" will seamlessly upgrade into it.

Apart from LTSB/LTSC releases, which have their own retirement dates (Windows 10 2019 LTSC is supported until 2029, for example), basically everyone will be off of "Windows 10" as it's currently called long before 2025, but your PC licensed for Windows 10 will still be updated and supported on the newer OS.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by input_sh »

partiallypro wrote: post #103
kathoum wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I switched from 7 to 10 when it was offered. I stayed with 10 for about one year, and I liked it thanks to all the fixes and improvements and despite the occasional quirk. But after one year, I realized my computer didn't feel like it was mine anymore. I jumped to linux and never went back.

Ubuntu started collecting telemetry in 2018, I don't see how it's invasive at all.

It's asked one time, options are straight forward, and you can preview what gets sent to Ubuntu.

The approach is far more reasonable than what Windows does.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by isoprophlex »

hughrr wrote: post #29
rightbyte wrote: post #3

"a more modern look and a redesigned Start menu" Oh please no. Hopefully the new OS will lead to less updates for Windows 10 being force pushed to my computer.

That first line suggests it’s another layer of veneer over 25 years of turds. Gee the settings app looks nice but there’s still five different control panel implementations linked to it and some settings aren’t even available yet. Microsoft: please just finish your shit before changing it again.

Well maybe this hot new OS will finally let it's users make files named "PRN" or "CON"

https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10-still-wont-let-you-...

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Post by passivate »

flohofwoe wrote: post #130
philliphaydon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

Neither Win7 nor Win10 crashes on me, but the whole "user experience" has been such an inconsistent mess after Win7, even though Win10 tried to undo the worst UX sins of Win8 it's still a far ways off from Win7. It's as if the Windows team is trying to throw random shit to the wall to see what sticks instead of trying to do slow and steady improvements. Apparently Win10 has some serious improvements over Win7 under t…

Win 7 doesn't handle high dpi properly, doesn't have secure boot, storage pools, usb 3 (IIRC), DX12, face unlock, etc. There is quite a lot of UX stuff that has changed since 7.
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