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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tored » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

dantondwa wrote: post #223

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

Month ago I installed Windows 10 and created a local account while connected to the internet, if I remember correctly it was hidden by 2 or 3 steps. Professional version.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by hutzlibu » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #251

bsd44 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

> Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. That’s just not true. I wish it were but much of the real pro software you can’t get in Linux doesn’t worn.

Yes, please do not make such claims without actually knowing.

Just because some games are running more or less stable, doesn't mean you can run complex software with it.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tomjen3 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #101

mosselman wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Whomever said it was okay for Google? There is a reason ublock origin and temporary tabs are installed in my firefox.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by sschueller » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

onychomys wrote: post #158

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #113

Honestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...

You want to ban.....the BBC?

BBC = British slanting , RT = Russian slanting , France 24 = French slanting, NYT = US slanting.

They all have a slant but if you know you can still read their articles and get something out of it.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dlivingston » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

tomlagier wrote: post #222

dlivingston wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

Probably referring to this story: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-locat...

Interesting. Maybe GP comment knows something I don't, but from your article, this seems like much ado about nothing. From your article and the linked follow-up:

The issue:

"[Apple's] policy [is]: “You can also disable location-based system services by tapping on System Services and turning off each location-based system service.” But apparently there are some system services on this model...which request location data and cannot be disabled by users without completely turning off location services."

Apple's response:

“We do not see any actual security implications,” an Apple engineer wrote in a response to KrebsOnSecurity. “It is expected behavior that the Location Services icon appears in the status bar when Location Services is enabled. The icon appears for system services that do not have a switch in Settings”

"...“Ultra Wideband technology is an industry standard technology and is subject to international regulatory requirements that require it to be turned off in certain locations,” the statement continues. “iOS uses Location Services to help determine if iPhone is in these prohibited locations in order to disable Ultra Wideband and comply with regulations. The management of Ultrawide Band compliance and its use of location data is done entirely on the device and Apple is not collecting user location data.”"

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by chanc3e » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

ergot_vacation wrote: post #213

onychomys wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to ban.....the BBC?

You're still operating under the notion that the BBC is Real Journalism, a grand institution that can be trusted as a source of well-researched, professionally vetted information. This hasn't been true for a long time, and this article is only a mild example of why. Most mainstream news sources have rotted away to being glorified tabloids at this point, and while the BBC may have rotted less, it's still in poor shape…

Sadly this is true. The BBC is staffed with some truly incredible talent and some of the output is world class - however, the news sub-desks are more or less a few freelancers copy/pasting from Reuters/syndicated news at this point, and articles are certainly not thoroughly vetted.

Sheer inertia and brand cachet are carrying the BBC.

I'm not sure which outlet is entirely trustworthy in the UK currently.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by prometheus76 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:11 PM UTC

bsd44 wrote: post #241

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version.

This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at using the "now user-friendly version" of linux that stretches back 20 years.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by artificialLimbs » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

dantondwa wrote: post #223

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

You have to pick "Work network" or some such thing, meaning you intend to join it to a domain, in order to have the option to create a local account if you've already hooked it to network. This also means it has to be Pro version, Home doesn't have this option.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by hutzlibu » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

For those who are not aware of its existence, there are some projects, that try to keep up with a "debloater", meaning they maintain a script, to remove as much of that crap as possible. First thing I do on a new windows computer:

https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

It is not perfect, some stuff remains as Microsoft regulary "improves" their bloatware setup. But it makes windows so much more bearable.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Scramblejams » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

thrower123 wrote: post #126

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

It's absurd how much better LTSC is than publicly available versions of Win 10. If you have enterprise licensing or MSDN subscriptions or Partner connections, the only reason not to run it is if you really, really need WSL. Even then, I think you can get it enabled if you really need to.

Another reason not to run it is if any of the games you play require > 1809.