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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by partiallypro »

mosselman wrote: post #34
philliphaydon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by knolan »

stingraycharles wrote: post #23
knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

I understand what you mean but one of the powers of Microsoft is, in fact, their extreme backwards compatibility and it would be very damaging if they chose to throw that out of the window.

That’s why I qualified with a comment on an LTS version of Windows.

Keep something around for the next decade (or two) that keeps old hardware running. Allow virtualisation for everyone else.

It does seem that Apple’s approach of aggressively throwing out support for features while designing their own silicon with none of the legacy support that Intel keep around for x86 has paid off. Rosetta 2 ‘just works’.

For enterprise, some version of Windows will probably always be needed. WSL has shown that MS can respond to the developer community and shows that they can do it well. For home users and gamers a fast and lean OS will help shift hardware. The former who will be tempted by Macs and the latter who don’t want bloat will want as little OS overhead as possible.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by partiallypro »

kathoum wrote: post #66
mosselman wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

This. I switched from 7 to 10 when it was offered. I stayed with 10 for about one year, and I liked it thanks to all the fixes and improvements and despite the occasional quirk. But after one year, I realized my computer didn't feel like it was mine anymore. I jumped to linux and never went back.

Ubuntu started collecting telemetry in 2018, I don't see how it's invasive at all.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by beervirus »

philliphaydon wrote: post #28
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

Your experience with 7 is extremely atypical.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great.

Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by partiallypro »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I think just calling it "Windows" is a fail. Even OSes that are updated constantly still have release numbers (iOS, Android, MacOS.) It helps customers understand the milestones behind the OS development and assists with marketing.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by gnud »

philliphaydon wrote: post #28
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

I'm using Win 10 LTSC, and that is clearly better than 7, even if I have to work really hard to disable a ton of stupid crap, as well as a lot of telemetry.

I think it says a lot about Microsoft that they constantly move around the 'search with Bing from the start menu' setting, and make it harder to find every time. They know we turn it off, and they don't want us to.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

partiallypro wrote: post #101
mosselman wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Well on Apple platforms it’s easy to turn off with a single checkbox, which they explicitly ask you about at setup.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by est31 »

DethNinja wrote: post #37

Windows architecture is a mess, I wish more software companies would support Linux as cross platform compatibility gets easier each day but that doesn’t seem to be case. Unfortunately it is really hard for game development companies to develop on Linux as most of the software used by artists require Windows to function. Hopefully one day my company will be able ditch Windows completely but it might take another decad…

The problem is not the software the artists use. I'm sure that Google designers use Mac too even though Google is a Linux shop. The problem is the extremely tiny market that Linux users represent. Plus issues with drivers, binary compatibility between releases, etc.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by partiallypro »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #108
partiallypro wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Well on Apple platforms it’s easy to turn off with a single checkbox, which they explicitly ask you about at setup.

iOS infamously collects your location data even when you opt out of Apple's iOS analytics; it's more of illusion of control than anything.
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