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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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It's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release). Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.

PowerShell

Network interface bridging

Per-application volume control

Hyper-V

Drivers that run mostly in user space so crashes and updates don't require a reboot

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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post #193
post #187

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I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

yup - this one kills me too. I'll have multiple VMs/docker images up and running all week and discover my dev machine sitting there with a fresh login prompt. A hard, not scheduled by me, reboot is absolutely unacceptable.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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post #68

It's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release). Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.

It's interesting that the responses you got were all dev related improvements (better line endings, WSL, hyper-v etc.) but I thought I'd try to take a stab at this from a non-power user's perspective:

- Better bluetooth integration (N/A in XP? Unreliable in Win7?)

- Snipping tool (Don't remember if in XP, definitely part of win7)

- Improved automatic driver detection (Drivers were pretty rough in XP, okay in win7 but still needed manufacturer installs for many things)

- Built in camera app? (Voice recorder was always there for audio testing)

- Built in free mail app (outlook always cost money)

- Better out-of-the box browser (windows edge vs. IE)

- Free, good quality firewall (windows defender, came later in Win7 as an update not in XP)

I found it to actually be a difficult exercise which either says something about my memory of the old OS's or it reveals a distinct lack of dramatic changes.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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post #187

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I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

I've been running this[0] solution on machines that I need to control the reboot cycle due to long running processes.

It has been working flawlessly for the past two years and has survived multiple feature upgrades.

What it does is override the call to the executable that schedules the reboot using the Windows built in debugging tools.

One line registry patch and the executable is redirected elsewhere.

0: https://lazyadmin.nl/it/how-to-stop-automatic-restart-win-10...

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

I'm using Win 10 LTSC, and that is clearly better than 7, even if I have to work really hard to disable a ton of stupid crap, as well as a lot of telemetry. I think it says a lot about Microsoft that they constantly move around the 'search with Bing from the start menu' setting, and make it harder to find every time. They know we turn it off, and they don't want us to.

In addition to that, even with the setting disabled, I STILL see "web searches" when I search from the start menu. Not every time though, which makes it more frustrating.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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If they had used that telemetry to realise that maybe just maybe people tended to use the same mode and it might be an idea to store it and reapply it on launch then I could see a point to the telemetry. But they aren't even using it to solve the problems their users have, it is just data collection for collections sake if the applications aren't improving!

It always has stored the last used mode here. Does it not do that for you? Smells like a bug if it doesn't.

If only we had some sort of telemetry to identify this possible bug and address it...

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).

Side note about the Alt-1/2/3/4 shortcuts in calculator - does anyone else find that they only work sporadically? I just tried it a bunch of times now and got maybe 50-60% success rate on it actually triggering the mode switch.

Good god, I never knew about the date calculator option. To add years, months or days to a date there are three drop downs with the values 1 to 999, why on earth is it done this way?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Why would they throw away all driver compatibility and force themselves to rewrite all the userland libraries?

Totally agree and I think Windows based on Linux kernel makes no sense... yet imagine the year of the Linux desktop coming true for real?

Even if they moved to the Linux kernel, which I think is incredibly unlikely and undesirable, they would have to replace so much of the disparately developed (and quite garbage) Linux Desktop userspace that you couldn't call it Linux Desktop any more than you could say the same about Android.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I have a Surface for work that does this if you move it at all.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

#210

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Yep, keep underlying invisible improvements of 10 like the kernel but ditch the whole UI and revert it back to Windows 7. It was peak Windows design (second is Windows Classic UI) and change for sake of change totally ruined it.

This might be showing a difference in our age and/or when we were exposed to Windows UI, but I think the Windows UI peaked at Windows 2000.

Crisp 2D with borders, separations, edges, UI elements were not hidden, obvious scroll bars, AND distinct colouring.

As you referenced 'Classic Mode', it was VERY close to Win2k UI, but not the same.

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