But but... I just installed Windows 10 last year!
How am I going to get used to it now, if they're already replacing it?
Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#122Hmmm. Their customers for Windows are large orgs -- enterprises, universities, governments. This is going to drive them crazy. Again.
Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#123>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…
It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.
At least until Microsoft wraps-up the Open Business licensing program you can still acquire LTSC thru that program. You'll have to work with a reseller. It's a bit of a pain, but it's not too bad. I've used Dell and CDW in the past.
The minimum volume license buy is 5 licenses. Any good reseller will sell you 1 copy of LTSC and 4 of the cheapest SKU in the catalog (usually $5-10 / ea) to get your volume license contract started. After that you used to be able to purchase piecemeal for 2 years before you need to fulfill the minimum purchase again. The licenses themselves are perpetual. With the program being killed I'd treat it as a one-time purchase and assume you have no further rights after October (I think) of this year.
I don't like it, but it's not too hard to do either. The trick is finding a reseller who will leave you alone after the purchase (no sales calls, etc).
Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#124>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…
You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).
Side note about the Alt-1/2/3/4 shortcuts in calculator - does anyone else find that they only work sporadically? I just tried it a bunch of times now and got maybe 50-60% success rate on it actually triggering the mode switch.
Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#125>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…
It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.
I'm glad I'm allowed to run LTSC. I've never seen a desktop OS that stable. I run it for months without reboots with a heavy usage and I never got any problems with it since I started using it in 2015.
Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#126>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…
It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.
It's absurd how much better LTSC is than publicly available versions of Win 10. If you have enterprise licensing or MSDN subscriptions or Partner connections, the only reason not to run it is if you really, really need WSL. Even then, I think you can get it enabled if you really need to.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. I switched from 7 to 10 when it was offered. I stayed with 10 for about one year, and I liked it thanks to all the fixes and improvements and despite the occasional quirk. But after one year, I realized my computer didn't feel like it was mine anymore. I jumped to linux and never went back.
Ubuntu started collecting telemetry in 2018, I don't see how it's invasive at all.
The difference between invasive and non-invasive telemetry is choice. If you give me the choice to turn it off, there's some sense of mutual trust: you trust me to leave it enabled if I have no reason not to and I trust you not to abuse the information collected. When there is no choice, as with Windows 10, I have to wonder why. What are you collecting that you won't allow me to turn it off at my discretion? What are you doing with that information that earning my trust is not an option?
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.
We more or less know what they collect. Trust MS more than facebook, Google, Twitter, tiktok. I mean your privacy is probably violated more just browsing the net, even with all your ad blockers and tracking disabled, than using Windows for any daily task. I only use Windows for gaming these days but privacy is hardly an issue in Windows compared to anything else.
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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#129Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.
I think they did that twice and both were complete flops. The first one, I think, was the Windows RT. RT had none of the cruft, but many people complained that you couldn't install random windows apps and it just couldn't take off. I think Windows 10 S might be the other but my memory is failing me.
Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
#130>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…
Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.
Neither Win7 nor Win10 crashes on me, but the whole "user experience" has been such an inconsistent mess after Win7, even though Win10 tried to undo the worst UX sins of Win8 it's still a far ways off from Win7.
It's as if the Windows team is trying to throw random shit to the wall to see what sticks instead of trying to do slow and steady improvements.
Apparently Win10 has some serious improvements over Win7 under the hood, but those technological improvements don't count much if the user facing parts are quickly deteriorating.