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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by PaulKeeble »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #25
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).

If they had used that telemetry to realise that maybe just maybe people tended to use the same mode and it might be an idea to store it and reapply it on launch then I could see a point to the telemetry. But they aren't even using it to solve the problems their users have, it is just data collection for collections sake if the applications aren't improving!

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ginko »

dusted wrote: post #43
anotherhue wrote: post #12

Well if the current nostalgia trend is anything to go by, maybe they'll Remaster Windows 2000

I'd pay good money for a 1:1 Windows 2000 Pro, where the ONLY thing they've done is update whatever it is that needs updating to also run the new programs.

Support for more than 2 processors would be nice as well.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by swiley »

ahelwer wrote: post #31
mstipetic wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works

I've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?

The only gog game I have is Factorio. IIRC Epic doesn't like their stuff running without what is essentially a rootkit, so that might not work so well.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by TonyTrapp »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #91
TonyTrapp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).

If they had used that telemetry to realise that maybe just maybe people tended to use the same mode and it might be an idea to store it and reapply it on launch then I could see a point to the telemetry. But they aren't even using it to solve the problems their users have, it is just data collection for collections sake if the applications aren't improving!

It always has stored the last used mode here. Does it not do that for you? Smells like a bug if it doesn't.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by philliphaydon »

krylon wrote: post #64
philliphaydon wrote: post #28

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Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

As much as I dislike Windows in general, the NT based Windows systems have been very stable for a very long time. I once saw a server running NT 4.0 with 6 years uptime. I don't know about Vista, but in my experience both XP and 7 have been very stable as long the hardware was reliable and no messy device drivers were in use (which includes AV software). That being said, Windows 10 did a few things I liked, too.

Vista was a good OS. It’s just when it came out there was a huge lack of drivers. So everyone got upset. When 7 came out with less DRM, all the drivers were available at this point. And vista was solid.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by philliphaydon »

mosselman wrote: post #34
philliphaydon wrote: post #28

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Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

We more or less know what they collect. Trust MS more than facebook, Google, Twitter, tiktok. I mean your privacy is probably violated more just browsing the net, even with all your ad blockers and tracking disabled, than using Windows for any daily task.

I only use Windows for gaming these days but privacy is hardly an issue in Windows compared to anything else.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by raxxorrax »

toivo wrote: post #60
DethNinja wrote: post #37

Windows architecture is a mess, I wish more software companies would support Linux as cross platform compatibility gets easier each day but that doesn’t seem to be case. Unfortunately it is really hard for game development companies to develop on Linux as most of the software used by artists require Windows to function. Hopefully one day my company will be able ditch Windows completely but it might take another decad…

Krita and blender are really good open source software for graphic artists so the situation is not all bad.

Seriously. I think it is just momentum that keeps people in a parasitic relationship with Adobe. Print isn't that relevant today and even that is no issue for alternatives. I just use both in a non-professional manner, but they are extremely dependable tools. I use them on Apple devices too. They even run perfectly on an M1 with an emulation layer. Really good performance. Next notebook is probably a Linux device again, but designers and artists have a lot of choice today.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by raxxorrax »

hatch_q wrote: post #32
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #13

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Why would they throw away all driver compatibility and force themselves to rewrite all the userland libraries?

With Intel's acquisition of SiFive... for Windows to support RISC V they'd need to do that anyway. They did it for ARM64 (partially) and are struggling. They have to do bunch of stuff via emulation instead.

Windows on ARM wasn't really a success story. Don't know if I would be so enthusiastic about RISC V.

I would like it, we need more open hardware. But I have no illusion that vendors like Microsoft, Google or Apple will first try to find a way to lock their systems down.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by krylon »

tasogare wrote: post #89
krylon wrote: post #73

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To be fair, some major changes are not directly user-visible. For example, Microsoft created a new programming language (called "P") to rewrite the USB stack in Windows 8 or 8.1 that allegedly made that part more secure/reliable. EDIT: I suppose there is a certain pressure to mess with the UI, so non-technical people will "see" the difference. Some changes have been genuine improvements, IMHO, like AeroSnap or the se…

> the search field in the start menu That's one of the worst offender. It opens a separate windows instead of searching in the menu itself, and returns a lot of crap (including web queries, wtf) except what it supposed to do: searching in installed applications. That can be done, at the expense of an additional click. Very poor UX by mixing concerns that belongs to different applications (Explorer and the browser).

As far as I recall, it did not do that in Windows 7. I have not used Windows 10 that much.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

"Windows Classic Subsystem for Windows"
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