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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by eric-hu »

rightbyte wrote: post #74
eric-hu wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

> Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge. I think that is when you click the teaser text with the dots and just expect the location of the nice picture to unfold.

Yes!! That’s it! And that’s exactly what I expect, to just see the answer to the text.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by hughrr »

dusted wrote: post #35

Am I the only one thinking "oh no, not again".. just finish the damn os already

No that’s the first thing I thought as well.

They have a lot of people concentrating on the things they don’t need to be done and very few on the things that do need to be done.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by usrusr »

tapoxi wrote: post #9
SteveNuts wrote: post #2

I have a strange feeling that the next version will be based on Linux kernel

Why? The Linux kernel is GPL and that move would anger a lot of Windows driver developers who need to support a shim or release their source.

True, the only way I could see that happen is if they not only include a compatibility layer for the application side but also a way for the kernel to host old Windows driver binaries. No idea how easy, difficult or completely impossible that would be.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by hughrr »

ThomasWinwood wrote: post #76
stingraycharles wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand what you mean but one of the powers of Microsoft is, in fact, their extreme backwards compatibility and it would be very damaging if they chose to throw that out of the window.

They could do what Apple did and provide a Windows compatibility layer which gets progressively more buried as old software gets replaced until it's just kept around for the weird stuff that never gets properly updated because it's maintained by a rotating set of undergrads.

They tried that with the App Store stuff. That was supposed to be the new world. But it wasn’t compelling, the store sucked and still does today and it was and still is like wading in excrement working on that side of things.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #25
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).

SpeedCrunch is one of the first programs I install on a new machine, probably just after Everything, WizTree and Unlocker.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tpxl »

tapoxi wrote: post #9
SteveNuts wrote: post #2

I have a strange feeling that the next version will be based on Linux kernel

Why? The Linux kernel is GPL and that move would anger a lot of Windows driver developers who need to support a shim or release their source.

You can have proprietary drivers even though the Linux kernel is GPL.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tasogare »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Yep, keep underlying invisible improvements of 10 like the kernel but ditch the whole UI and revert it back to Windows 7. It was peak Windows design (second is Windows Classic UI) and change for sake of change totally ruined it.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by flyingfences »

tomxor wrote: post #30
neilsimp1 wrote: post #24

Well, we all know the every-other-version-of-Windows-rule: Windows 2000 - Good Windows ME - Bad Windows XP - Good Windows Vista - Bad Windows 7 - Good Windows 8 - Bad Windows 10 - Good Windows 11 - ????

or Linux + Official Windows API? :D you never know

Will 2025 finally be the Year of the Linux Desktop?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tasogare »

krylon wrote: post #73
incompatible wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like "a new OS" just means a few Windows user interface tweaks.

To be fair, some major changes are not directly user-visible. For example, Microsoft created a new programming language (called "P") to rewrite the USB stack in Windows 8 or 8.1 that allegedly made that part more secure/reliable. EDIT: I suppose there is a certain pressure to mess with the UI, so non-technical people will "see" the difference. Some changes have been genuine improvements, IMHO, like AeroSnap or the se…

> the search field in the start menu

That's one of the worst offender. It opens a separate windows instead of searching in the menu itself, and returns a lot of crap (including web queries, wtf) except what it supposed to do: searching in installed applications. That can be done, at the expense of an additional click. Very poor UX by mixing concerns that belongs to different applications (Explorer and the browser).

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by nightski »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #79
nightski wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be true for you but as a developer that uses it daily there have been hundreds if not thousands of improvements to 10 that I would not want to give up.

Such as what, exactly? Most languages are platform agnostic: Java, .NET, Python, Ruby, JS, TypeScript. Windows offers nothing to developers of these languages that Unixes haven't been offering already for decades. As a developer, I'd be happier than anything if my work just let me have a bare-metal Linux machine to do my work on.

I wasn't comparing it to Unix. I was just responding to the parent that Windows 10 had many improvements over 7 and I would not want to go back?

I also enjoy Windows as a development platform quite a bit. It has made me a LOT of money in the last two decades so I can't complain. I like Linux a lot too, no need to only like one or the other.

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