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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

eric-hu wrote: post #26
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

I occasionally open the ad/tip by mistake, because I wake the mouse and PC by clicking. I guess this is my mistake for "holding it the wrong way", but it's quite annoying nonetheless.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by TonyTrapp »

hatch_q wrote: post #62
duttaditya18 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft would never make the base of their system open source. It is fundamentally opposite to how Microsoft does business.

It wouldn't need to be open source. They would make closed-source distro with custom kernel modules and packages. Just like MacOS.

Darwin is BSD-licensed (it's a FreeBSD derivative after all), that's a huge difference to the copyleft GPL license of the Linux kernel. See e.g. the VMware vs Linux story for the implications of that.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by krylon »

incompatible wrote: post #51
rightbyte wrote: post #3

"a more modern look and a redesigned Start menu" Oh please no. Hopefully the new OS will lead to less updates for Windows 10 being force pushed to my computer.

Sounds like "a new OS" just means a few Windows user interface tweaks.

To be fair, some major changes are not directly user-visible. For example, Microsoft created a new programming language (called "P") to rewrite the USB stack in Windows 8 or 8.1 that allegedly made that part more secure/reliable.

EDIT: I suppose there is a certain pressure to mess with the UI, so non-technical people will "see" the difference. Some changes have been genuine improvements, IMHO, like AeroSnap or the search field in the start menu, others have been disastrous (cough Windows 8 cough).

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by rightbyte »

eric-hu wrote: post #26
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #7

It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

> Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

I think that is when you click the teaser text with the dots and just expect the location of the nice picture to unfold.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by squiggleblaz »

mosselman wrote: post #34
philliphaydon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pass. Windows 10 is just so much better than 7. I still don’t get why people don’t move on. I’m happier having window 10 which has never crashed on me vs 7 which did it weekly.

OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I guess that's the business norm. It's not really that Windows 7 is better than Windows 10, but that traditional business practices - of buying tools and using them and a respect for users - was better than modern business practices - of data and limited services and a confidence that the plan is always right. Everything has changed to foster that distrust, even completely non-computer services like journalism, taxis and food delivery.

If Microsoft would go back to pick up development from Windows 7, or Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, it would still be about abusing their customers.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by ThomasWinwood »

stingraycharles wrote: post #23
knolan wrote: post #15

Microsoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.

I understand what you mean but one of the powers of Microsoft is, in fact, their extreme backwards compatibility and it would be very damaging if they chose to throw that out of the window.

They could do what Apple did and provide a Windows compatibility layer which gets progressively more buried as old software gets replaced until it's just kept around for the weird stuff that never gets properly updated because it's maintained by a rotating set of undergrads.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by jaywalk »

simonh wrote: post #41
tyingq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear where the reporter got the "redesigned start menu" idea from. Reads like it's just their personal guess. I'm also not clear on why the Win10 start menu got so much hate. I delete all the tiles and it then seems not much different than prior start menus.

Well, the first problem with the Start menu is there are two of them. But for example, a user wants to look up or change something to do with the configuration. How do they go about choosing which of these to try on the right-click Start menu: System, Device Manager, Computer Management, Settings.

Press the Windows key and then start typing what you're looking for.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tpxl »

ahelwer wrote: post #31
mstipetic wrote: post #27

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I now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works

I've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?

> I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too?

It should since it uses Wine under the hood, but the ease of use is obviously way worse.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by selfhoster11 »

nightski wrote: post #53
selfhoster11 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that was outright good about 10 were the improvements in how the taskbar and window management works. Port that to 7 and call it a day, I say.

That might be true for you but as a developer that uses it daily there have been hundreds if not thousands of improvements to 10 that I would not want to give up.

Such as what, exactly? Most languages are platform agnostic: Java, .NET, Python, Ruby, JS, TypeScript. Windows offers nothing to developers of these languages that Unixes haven't been offering already for decades.

As a developer, I'd be happier than anything if my work just let me have a bare-metal Linux machine to do my work on.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by mattowen_uk »

tomxor wrote: post #30
neilsimp1 wrote: post #24

Well, we all know the every-other-version-of-Windows-rule: Windows 2000 - Good Windows ME - Bad Windows XP - Good Windows Vista - Bad Windows 7 - Good Windows 8 - Bad Windows 10 - Good Windows 11 - ????

or Linux + Official Windows API? :D you never know

Is there RemoteApp ability in any of the linux RDP clients?

If so, there's the option of running Windows in a VM on your Linux machine, and having seamless Windows apps on your Linux desktop.

It's a bit like what MS are going to offer with their WSL, but in reverse. I've never tried it, but it might work, and give people the best of both worlds.

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