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The politics are greatly reduced when everyone is remote. No “in group” lunches or beers after work… There are entire categories of drama that wfh eliminates.
It doesn't eliminate them, it just hides them from you.
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I want to deal with my co-workers as professionals, definitely not as friends. They are not my friends, I’m paid to work with them. Companies are more productive when you remove social drama, not less.
friendship /= drama Please never hire at a company near me, thank you
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> it felt a bit like servitude A feudalistic remnant in the nature of corporate hierarchy is that people higher up in the hierarchy feel that this gives them inherent superiority over people lower in the hierarchy. In reality, there's no reason that someone in a corporate hierarchy needs to have their status (including compensation, etc.) determined by their place in the hierarchy. A hierarchy should just be an effic…
This assumes they make more money for the sake of their position in the hierarchy rather than having valued skills at performing well at that level of the hierarchy. Believe it or not, most people don’t do well in mgmt positions. To find someone that can perform that job can be harder than finding a good “individual contributor”. I’ve seen plenty of good technical people wash out of even basic supervisory/team lead p…
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I have yet to see a non-tiny company that doesn't have political squabbles cross-team and especially cross-department. It's the nature of many groups competing for finite resources and diverging goals. I have however seen many engineers be utterly obvious to the politics going on and getting burned by it in the end.
The politics are greatly reduced when everyone is remote. No “in group” lunches or beers after work… There are entire categories of drama that wfh eliminates.
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It's possible that the rank-and-file will only follow leaders who have been granted outsize status. That way, executive compensation would need to be high even if value over replacement executive is low.
Social hierarchies have their downsides, but if history is a guide, they are necessary. Any behavior that appears in all recorded cultures is likely to be a core survival advantage, and therefore very fundamental to us as humans operationally and unlikely to change.
I have to admit, after I fought for remote work with a bunch of hiring managers before the pandemic, I feel quite a bit Schadenfreude right now. Also, I think, in the long run remote work will level the playing field between introverts and extroverts quite a bit.
Level - how so? I’m on the extroverted side of an introverted team/industry. I love WFH because of its obvious superiority. Yet it seems to me it is more isolating of more introverted colleagues. It is a lot easier for them to take a back seat in discussions and a lot harder to draw them out.
They just became friends with their bosses when they talked about private stuff at work.
Introverted people usually don't do this and missed out on this opportunity.
Remote work removes many of these non-work related things, that could still impact your work. People who profited from it in the past won't so much in the future.
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I am rather junior and recently joined a fully remote team. The culture is so geared towards written documentation that it's honestly not a problem. Every one is extra careful about writing up extra detailed instructions for the youngsters. Also, I'm spending a good chunk of time exploring and researching by myself obviously, but I consider that a perk since one tend to learn better that way.
I dunno man, documentation is way different to what happens in person. I’m sure you’ll learn heaps, but I think what you learn will be qualitatively different from what you’d learn in an office. Maybe not better or worse, but certainly different. Good luck to you though! Welcome to the industry.
But it's true that I got most of my workstation/tooling out of my previous supervisor, who installed his stuff since I had no preference and it made it more similar to his own machine, making the process of helping me on my desk easier. That probably would not happen remotely :)
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It doesn't eliminate them, it just hides them from you.
No it eliminates them. In office drinking, office romances, listening to petty personal problems… all completely vaporized in wfh.
Perhaps this is fine for you, but I want to point out to others that just because you don't see this happening anymore, doesn't mean that it has actually stopped happening.
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I've found that it's much harder to form social bonds, especially cross-team, when working remotely and never seeing people in person. Socializing via Zoom is not the same. The lack of lunch and hallway conversation hurts a lot without even getting into the outside of work socializing. That in turn leads to minor issues exploding because no one has a sense of empathy built for anyone else.
I’ve worked at the same company for nearly 20 years. I’ve had precisely 0 lunch and hallway conversations in all of those years. Lunch time is when I go work out. If I’m not working out, I’m sitting at my my desk working. Socializing is for non-work hours. However, I’ve learned a lot more about coworkers (some of whom I’ve worked with for more than 10 years) during the pandemic from talking at the beginning of zoom c…
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I'm sorry, but seriously how out of touch do you have to be that 14+ months into the pandemic you still think that people can't have poor WFH experiences for reasons out of their control?
Can you give a few examples of those reasons?