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Eric Weinstein is a clown, like, literally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein#Physics

Not as clownish as including an unnecessary “like”, a filler word for speech and therefore completely unnecessary in a written comment.

See what I did there? Its called an ad-hominem, an attack to the person instead of the argument. Thats what you did when you attacked Eric Weinstein instead of his argument.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#102
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to say his proposed "Theory of everything" is lacking in several regards and not a good candidate for scientific or academic research. I don't see how that makes him a clown. He's interested in physics, educated in it, and made some effort to contribute that doesn't seem to have panned out. That strikes me as laudable behavior and not like a "clown". Perhaps you'll say he is a clown because he really belie…

The same could be said in praise of every crank. Presumably if he's a crank about physics, he could also be one about Covid.

He has a PhD in physics from MIT....

There are many such types who reformulate various types of physics from a mathematical pov -- these attempts rarely have any deep upside... but it is a hobby of mathematical physicists.

Nothing "crank" about it.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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If McDonald's mistreats me, I can go to Wendy's or Burger King and get a similar meal for a similar price. When Youtube mistreats me, where am I supposed to go? BitChute? Vimeo? Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. And if creators want to migrate off Youtube, how are they supposed to do that when they'll get less than 10% of the audience on the other sites? Youtube's moat way is too deep to be thr…

On the one hand, you're pointing at these alternative video hosting sites' lack of engaged audience as the problem with switching over to them. On the other hand, you're saying YouTube needs to be forced to allow anyone and everyone to stay on the site — literally, to have a channel at all.

But you're making a very important hidden leap here: between people being allowed to have a channel on YouTube; and those channels being recommended by YouTube's algorithm.

Because it's the YouTube recommendation algorithm that determines whether you get an audience of millions. Without the algorithm, YouTube is just a video hosting platform with some not-very-good search-based discoverability, where you'd need to do your own off-platform SEO to get your videos seen.

Ignoring the discoverability you get through YouTube's algorithm, and assuming you only care about having a video at a URL you can link to from elsewhere, there's literally no benefit to using YouTube over one of those other video-hosts. They all give you a video at a URL.

In a world where YouTube was regulated as a utility, that would presumably involve the video-hosting infrastructure itself being content-neutral. But implicit to that would be a divorcing of the video-hosting component, from the discoverability component. YouTube the video host would be a utility, while YouTube the recommendation engine would be a separate company (not a utility), but only one of many able to run its own indexing and next-to-watch recommendations against the same store of content.

But again, that hidden leap. What's to say YouTube the recommendation engine, divorced from the video-hosting component, wouldn't still end up, through network effects, as the only site people care about? I would think it almost inevitable — especially starting from current conditions where everyone already knows about YouTube, and would still already know about YouTube (the index) after the split.

In such a world, the "public square" of video content — control over what video content most people happen to see by default — would still be controlled by the video-indexing company YouTube. Just like the "public square" of web content is controlled by the web-indexing company Google. Google never had to host the web, to end up with a degree of control over its public-visible curation.

In that world, does your demand for regulation still stand? If so, what does it mean? Would you demand the index itself to be regulated? Does that mean it would then be the government's job to define content moderation rules for YouTube's index? Would the government have to spend man-centuries or more on auditing for YouTube's approach to content moderation, to ensure they're following the rules as laid out? Or what?

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#104
post #11

This is a controversial issue surrounding the safety and efficacy of Ivermectin, a prescription drug, as an COVID-19 treatment. Edit: the issue surrounds efficacy too.

This is not an issue around the safety of Ivermectin, as it is an incredibly well-known drug that is now off patent. This is a discussion around efficacy. It is similar to the MD asks around using a Zpak for Covid.

I agree with highlighting efficacy as a main discussion topic as well. However, I disagree the controversy doesn’t include arguments around drug safety. As long as the FDA has guidance up like this [1] it’s going to be a part of the discussion.

[1] https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul...

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#105
post #29
post #7

What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo? Bret (Eric's brother, biology PhD) had a 2h long conversation with Pierre Kory (MD) and it was taken down by YT. One of the things they talked was the recommendations of WHO and other organisations to focus on supportive care only (supporting the patient while their organism fights the disease by itself). They insist on not using other treatments outside…

> They insist on not using other treatments outside clinical trials. The argument that running experiments would cost lives doesn't seem coherent. Clinical trials are structured experiments which follow a certain protocol, ethical review, etc... > It's not like we have this 100+ yrs practice of dealing with SARS-CoV-2 epidemic with well established protocols We do have 100+ years of practice in dealing with various d…

This doesn't address all of your comment but specifically with patient confidentiality – Israel agreed to share more data with vaccine manufacturers in order to get quicker access to the vaccines. There are obviously problems with bilateral dealmaking and Israeli distribution (the article below points them out), but Israel almost certainly saved lives by weakening confidentiality. I think that was the right call.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/israel-trades-pfizer-va...

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#106
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your own source: > Weinstein received his PhD in mathematical physics from Harvard University How is that "not a physicist"? I'm not saying that his theory is valid, mind you -- I don't know anything about it, nor am I myself qualified to judge that. But he clearly is a qualified physicist.

Weinstein ist describing himself like that. Dude's just a (supposedly) entertaining grifter.

Joking about something doesn't change the fact that he is a trained physicist, nor does it change the OP's misleading description. "Attempted foray into another field", indeed.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#107
post #59

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So you are asserting they don't want to benefit from both?

I don't know much about the economics of drugs, but I've seen this type of statement a few times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27496008

I don't get it, why would Merck leave money on the table. Merck has and will develop many more Covid drugs. It does not make sense to bet everything on one horse where there is a lot of uncertainty and risk that any drug will see the light of day.

I get that it makes sense as a narrative device to discredit Merck ("big pharma has acted against our interest in the past, so they are acting against our interest here"), but it does not make sense from Merck's point of view.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#108

If McDonald's mistreats me, I can go to Wendy's or Burger King and get a similar meal for a similar price. When Youtube mistreats me, where am I supposed to go? BitChute? Vimeo? Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. And if creators want to migrate off Youtube, how are they supposed to do that when they'll get less than 10% of the audience on the other sites? Youtube's moat way is too deep to be thr…

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Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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If McDonald's mistreats me, I can go to Wendy's or Burger King and get a similar meal for a similar price. When Youtube mistreats me, where am I supposed to go? BitChute? Vimeo? Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. And if creators want to migrate off Youtube, how are they supposed to do that when they'll get less than 10% of the audience on the other sites? Youtube's moat way is too deep to be thr…

This is silly. You have alternatives, but you still are dismissing them. You could similarly say that if "McDonald mistreats me, where I'm going to go? Wendy? or Burger King? no one is going there"

Also your argument with electric company doesn't make sense, in this you could maybe compare it to an ISP, which I agree should be treated as an utility.

YouTube is just one of many services available. Your only argument about competitors is that not many creators are there, well, how do you think that will change? Are you expecting court to move some of YouTube users to Vimeo?

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#110
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Based on YouTube’s reply, seems they took his video down for promoting dangerous medical misinformation. If that’s what happened, I don’t see an issue. After the bang up job they've done dealing with copyright strikes, demonetizing their political enemies, and providing virtually zero support and feedback for the very creators that contribute to the popularity of their platform, you'd have to be a sadomasochist to…

Who did they demonetize? Alex Jones?

Firearms related channels was a big one. Even education based firearms channels such as forgotten weapons had problems.
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