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Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

_holographic_ wrote: post #47
raverbashing wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Garbage In Garbage Out Open-Label studies on some poor country are not "quality evidence". (On the other hand I don't take that manufacturer's statement as a fair and honest assessment of the drug) We do need serious studies on the repurposing of drugs, but people take it as their silver bullet.

Garbage sure, as the many testimonies from doctors all around the world that say it works spectaculary. Big Pharma is running the show so no one is going to finance fancy double blind RCT´s. It´s completely crazy to ignore treatments for C19, this disease is easily treatable on symptom onset.

> testimonies from doctors all around the world that say it works spectaculary

I have no view on this drug. But this standard of evidence is useless.

Every substance-disease pair has positive testimony from doctors around the world. Ground tiger bones for cancer? Paprika for polio? Leeches for fever? tons of testimony. Totally worthless. What you need are quality studies.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by colour »

I spent the entire day discussing this in a flame war with some arrogant asshole on Wikipedia, he seemed quite involved in tech so I hope that he sees this just to spite him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory To be very clear, I am not inviting a continuation of the flames.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by marcinzm »

varispeed wrote: post #30
marcinzm wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling doctors to not randomly experiment on their patients outside of a controlled studies seems perfectly reasonable. Most medical groups tend to view uncontrolled human experimentation as very unethical and have for a long time.

What would you say about doctors prescribing e.g. random SSRI?

Prescribing for what? Prozac, for example, is on-label approved for depression, ocd, panic disorder, bulimia and bipolar.

I do believe doctors use too many medications off-label although I acknowledge that FDA on-label approval can be a large barrier.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by zackees »

MilnerRoute wrote: post #8

YouTube's position is that this is medical misinformation about Ivermectin. One of the comments on this Twitter thread argues the video "isn’t just advocating for more complete Ivermectin trials, he’s recommending its use based on a collection of low quality studies. That’s dangerous, and I don’t see how you can blame YouTube for deferring to the advice of the major health bodies on this matter." Personally I'd never…

The only downside your possibly protecting people from is “false hope”, as the medication is very safe.

The possible up side you’ll miss is an actual treatment that prevents an unnecessary negligent massacre of elderly people.

Ivermectin was so effective early on that India gave it put for free to citizens early on in the pandemic. Many studies show it works well. The negative studies from the centralized institutes are possibly explained by regulatory capture and corruption.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by jwilber »

SnowProblem wrote: post #40
jwilber wrote: post #25

On the’censored’ man’s attempted foray into a different field, physics: “ The paper qualifies that the author "is not a physicist" but an "entertainer", and it has received strong criticism from the scientific community, including having "no visible impact" and having "gaps both mathematical and physical in origin that jeopardize Geometric Unity as a well-defined theory, much less one that is a candidate for a theory…

What is this slander? That is a completely separate topic, one which wikipedia cannot do justice in a paragraph, and neither can you. Second, the tweet is about Brett's censored video, not Eric. Watch the video.

I looked the man up, found an interesting tidbit, and posted it.

I can see how it comes off as me not liking him, but I really have no idea who he is, so I’ll explain why I posted that quote I saw:

If an individual is in question for taking non-standard stances in an academic field, then any history of non-standard stances from said individual in other fields, and responses to them, are relevant IMO.

If you disagree no worries, downvotes can reduce the opacity to zero.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by ALittleLight »

piker wrote: post #6

Eric Weinstein is a clown, like, literally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein#Physics

This seems to say his proposed "Theory of everything" is lacking in several regards and not a good candidate for scientific or academic research. I don't see how that makes him a clown. He's interested in physics, educated in it, and made some effort to contribute that doesn't seem to have panned out. That strikes me as laudable behavior and not like a "clown".

Perhaps you'll say he is a clown because he really believed in his own theory or tried to promote his work. Again, I'd disagree. He should believe in his work, if he didn't believe in it he should do something else. If he does believe in it then advocating for his own seems natural and appropriate.

Regardless, this tweet is about YouTube censoring a discussion on the usefulness of ivermectin for covid patients. Eric Weinstein's physics ambitions hardly seem related.

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

Pyramus wrote: post #59
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company has another upcoming drug they want to push rather than ivermectin: https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1402647948371005441 E: To add, I'm not a doctor but Brett Weinstein seems adamant that ivermectin is a very safe drug for humans. One point he has made is that because ivermectin is safe for consumption, there's no (Or very little) downside to taking it in an attempt to prevent or help with COVID.

So you are asserting they don't want to benefit from both?

I don't know much about the economics of drugs, but I've seen this type of statement a few times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27496008

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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Post by pumaontheprowl »

If McDonald's mistreats me, I can go to Wendy's or Burger King and get a similar meal for a similar price. When Youtube mistreats me, where am I supposed to go? BitChute? Vimeo? Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. And if creators want to migrate off Youtube, how are they supposed to do that when they'll get less than 10% of the audience on the other sites? Youtube's moat way is too deep to be threatened by any competition no matter how technically advanced the competition is.

Youtube is a monopoly and needs to be regulated as such. The electric company can't cut off my power because I was using their electricity to discuss experimental medications, so why should Youtube be allowed to deny me access to the online public square for the same reason? If Youtube wants to be the thought police of their users, they need to first allow an alternative to survive.

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