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Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by buildingmateri »

citizenpaul wrote: post #901
buildingmateri wrote: post #710

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Especially a problem because for almost all men a career and supporting family (maybe the hardest thing to figure out in life) is non optional, whereas half the female friends I have from college have abandoned careers to saddle up to a breadwinner ... I mean I kind of want that option but men don't really have it. Does anyone ever really discuss this social reality that makes it different for men v women in real wor…

I’ve attempted this discussion all over the internet. It does not go well would be a tame statement. There seems to be a pervasive belief that men do have this option equally available to them. Only half? My exp is more like 80% shack up with a breadwinner. Even with half of women that means max 25% of men get this option.

My comment was strongly upvoted (50+) so I believe the HN community understands this dynamic.

I mean if you go outside Western bubbles e.g. all of Asia Latam etc. 99% of women seek to marry a breadwinner over having their own career, closer to how it was 50 years ago here in the US, a dynamic that's hard to miss.

The 50% I mentioned is from a competitive ivy league school where you get a major career leg up. If 50% of female friends who went to an ivy have tapped out from career making, yes, it's easy to imagine how it's still the widespread norm even in US

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Post by chakkepolja »

burade wrote: post #593
JoeyBananas wrote: post #504

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I completely reject everything that you are saying. A grown man (or woman) who is dependent on their parents at that level has very serious problems because they are the equivalents of obese domestic dogs in a world full of wolves. Left to their own devices, they would have nothing. A person who does nothing with their life when they could be doing something is really a narcissist. They take it for granted that other…

Leaving home at 18 is really mostly an american thing. Go to a place like Italy or India or Pakistan and you'll find 30+ year olds living with their parents and it's no big deal at all.

30+ year olds are working. In rural areas working in farms with their parents. In urban areas employed in some other job.

It's true that we are supported until we finish education, however. Which I think is a good thing.

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Post by travisjungroth »

Ancalagon wrote: post #912
travisjungroth wrote: post #488

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The next generations are going to look at us like the Romans drinking from lead pipes. I think it's the weirdest time, chemically, when it comes to life on earth. For anyone struggling with their health, check if hormone tests could fit in your budget. It may point to a problem or hint to look in a different direction.

It’s funny cause lead pipes are still in use everywhere

In that way we're very much like the Romans drinking from lead pipes. What, with the drinking from lead pipes and all.

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Post by jwilber »

Noos wrote: post #891
jwilber wrote: post #561

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My twin brother and I grew up without a biological father, were very independent at an early age, and both have high-paying jobs in faang. Both well-adjusted, multiple relationships, successful, etc. I see a lot of Jordan Peterson-esque BS professing these “no biological father == neet” rules, and I’m not saying that’s the point you’re leading with your question, but am jumping at any opportunity to dispel it, just i…

and someone can successfully complete high end raids in world of warcraft despite being a paraplegic. Doesn't mean everyone should be able to do so or its too easy to raid. Don't view outliers and your own experience as standard; high achievers do this way too often and end up discounting the real difficulty and struggles in accomplishing such a thing.

Right, but the point I’m making is being raised without a father is not the (to take your example) paraplegic-level setback some in the red pill camp seem to think it is.

It’s not even an outlier experience, either. Even among high achievers. Consider that ~50% of African American NBA players and ~20% of white NBA players come from a single parent household. [0]

0: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.86...

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Post by rsj_hn »

jwilber wrote: post #964
Noos wrote: post #891

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and someone can successfully complete high end raids in world of warcraft despite being a paraplegic. Doesn't mean everyone should be able to do so or its too easy to raid. Don't view outliers and your own experience as standard; high achievers do this way too often and end up discounting the real difficulty and struggles in accomplishing such a thing.

Right, but the point I’m making is being raised without a father is not the (to take your example) paraplegic-level setback some in the red pill camp seem to think it is. It’s not even an outlier experience, either. Even among high achievers. Consider that ~50% of African American NBA players and ~20% of white NBA players come from a single parent household. [0] 0: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=1…

Curious, do you think the parent poster was saying that fatherless households actually give rise to paraplegics somehow? If not, why not respond to the actual argument with relevant data, rather than responding to strawmen arguments with NBA participation rates? Just seems like a very odd piece of data to bring up unless you can provide evidence that NBA participation rates are representative of overall well-being for the metrics under discussion.

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dang wrote: post #933
cheph wrote: post #11

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> The idea that every able bodied person has to work is not supposed to be the way our society functions; at least not in the last 100,000 years. So the fruit of who's labour exactly are they entitled to then? And can I also get in on that action? I would like to get something other people made without working any more. I don't see why I as a productive member of society should get less than someone who festers in th…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We're trying for a different sort of internet here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: on closer look, it turns out you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of which ideology they're battling for or against, because it's destructive of what this site is supposed to exist for. If you'd please…

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Post by i_am_new_here »

wurstman wrote: post #967

I'm one of those people, I've just accepted that I'm a loser.

The job you were supposed to do is now done half as good by women.

They don't provide for a family.

The combined negativ result (of women achieving less - cf. their physicals, eg. in sports) is compound.

The corporate world is now/today like watching women's soccer.

Thank you propaganda.

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Post by i_am_new_here »

whereistimbo wrote: post #791

Hah, I thought I'm totally a unique snowflake, guess what, there are A LOT of man that had similarities with me (worth noting that I'm a feminine gay man). I plan to keep becoming like this (living in my parent's home and not working at all) until, either I'm getting kicked out of home, my parents died, or I'm being forced to work. If all the comfort will be gone then I will do suicide (NO please don't lecture me abo…

> then I will do suicide

It's very difficult (to commit suicide) and you'll likely still not do it, then.

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Post by faeriechangling »

flippinburgers wrote: post #511

Men are not doing as well as women in school. If you look in the wrong places on the internet, media, or daily life, all you see is negativity towards masculinity. In addition, there doesn't appear to be any broad social system that is geared towards supporting men. The fact that men don't tend to be a socially adept doesn't help. This all feels like the perfect storm and there are plenty of people who act like "men…

>"men have had it coming and deserve any ensuing suffering"

I find the irony to all this is the sons are getting punished for the sins of the father. Every "equity" program I can name, every single one primarily punishes the young while leaving the old, who presumably would have been the ones who setup a rigged game, alone. People lose their chances to enter the labour market, they don't lose their existing jobs. I mostly see the innocent getting punished because they were born guilty.

Regarding school, men mature more slowly than women and do worse in certain intellectual enterprises like memory and seem to get a third of a grade point lower grades when their tests are scored unblinded. If you really wanted to make men and women score equally you could by blinding tests and tilting them more to skills men tend to do better on and not expecting equality between their age cohorts until they hit at least their late teens. There is simply no interest in doing such a thing and instead I hear outrage that men are the majority in any academic discipline even if on the aggregate they're behind.

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