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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by sellyme »

alisonkisk wrote: post #161
igetspam wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your rights end where the rights of another begin. Put putting others at risk, you are potentially denying them the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Don't get vaccinated and stay home. I support that. Going out in public as a spreader is not a right and the people you infect should be able to hold you legally liable.

That logic bans driving a car, which puts innocent lives at risk.

We do prevent people from driving a car at all until they pass a test proving that they can do so competently, and even then they typically have strong restrictions on what they can do while driving for several years to help further reduce the risk they can pose.

Perhaps a fair comparison would be if we required those who do not wish to get vaccinated to have a relevant medical degree to prove that they know what they're doing?

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Post by tzs »

sterlind wrote: post #162
betwixthewires wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.

This person worked in a care setting. It's like a bus driver refusing to install seatbelts, and driving kids around all day. Sure, seatbelts don't protect you 100% from dying in a fiery car crash, but they reduce the risk, the same way the vaccines reduce the risk of transmission. If someone wants to drive without a seatbelt, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet, that's on them, though I feel for the people having t…

The seatbelt comparison is more apt than you probably thought it was. People often don't realize this, but seatbelts not only reduce your chance of dying if you are in an accident. They also can reduce your chances of being in an accident.

If you have to make a sudden swerve to avoid an accident it is easier to maintain control if you are belted in. If you aren't belted in the the swerve can cause your whole upper body to move to the side relative to the steering wheel which can easily interfere with your steering turning a swerve that you would have been able to recover from into a swerve in which you completely lose control.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by ipspam »

Anyone that wants the vaccine can have it, I won't judge them. That's not my business.

The sanitary, risk adverse nature of the modern world genuinely repulses me.

I want to kill this overprotective beaurocracy in its cradle.

It seems stupid, and it is. But it's the only vote I get. I'm playing my hand. Disaster Socialism needs to be DOA next crisis.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by betwixthewires »

doublea wrote: post #174
betwixthewires wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misleading? You're agreeing with me here. You can still carry and transmit it. You said it, I said it, I don't see the problem. I don't think it is important to get the vaccine to as many people as possible. I think it is important to get the vaccine to those who think they should take it, especially vulnerable people like elderly people and people with comorbidities. Please don't tell me what to say, I'll say whatev…

You didn't claim it was possible, you claimed it was a certainty: > You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not I will continue to call you out as long as you continue to purposely misinform people.

"You can still transmit the virus with the vaccine" was my statement.

Alright, I misspoke. You could've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not.

For you to attribute malintent claiming I'm purposefully misleading people is a bit ridiculous. All I'm doing is having a discussion on the internet with people and sharing my personal viewpoints. Quit telling people to shut up just because you disagree with them. With an arrogant mindset like that its not surprising that you think it is your place to make people get medical treatments against their will. Call me out some more.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by sellyme »

borplk wrote: post #118
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

There are legitimate concerns about the safety of the vaccines. This condescending and belittling attitude towards anyone who expresses any concern about the vaccine safety does not help either. It's the propaganda of the big pharma mafia that tickles your narcissism so you get a kick out of feeling like superior for being 'one of the good guys' who is not against the vaccines. On the one hand you have know-it-all an…

> Any topic that is so clear-cut and obvious will not remain controversial for this long.

And yet you're no doubt familiar with the concept of Flat Earthers, so this is clearly false.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by effie »

igetspam wrote: post #98
effie wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My body is not about me? Which people around me are more affected when I take vaccine than me?

Those you do not kill by being a carrier.

Why would I kill them? That is some assumption you are making. A person can limit their infection risk to others in other ways.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by daenz »

alisonkisk wrote: post #167
daenz wrote: post #147

>It's spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you have started getting the vaccine Cases were going down significantly in the USA before the mass rollout of the vaccine. 100% guarantee that people forget that unpleasant fact. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/14/why-coronav... https://abc7news.com/covid-cases-in-us-johnson-and-vaccine-c... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/…

Cases "went down" (and also up) 3 times due to wave effects. Since the vaccine, the ups stopped.

The cases from January 9th to February 23 represent an 80% reduction in cases, from 250,000 to 55,000. Where are these "waves"? Do you mean when it went from 60,000 to 70,000 from March to April? This was down from 250,000 in early Jan.

This is what I'm talking about. People want to rewrite history to make it seem like we were all screwed until the vaccine showed up. No, experts were talking about how cases were going down drastically and it wasn't the cause of vaccine.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by premium-komodo »

grecy wrote: post #39
LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

I agree 100% and it's quite scary. We've moved past the "information age" where facts and science and raw data are used to drive decisions, and we're in some kind of "selfish wants" age. I don't know if it's a problem with democracy though - we've known for a long time now if you let regular folk vote on it a huge number would vote for absolutely zero tax and society would fall apart because of it, but they'd go down…

> People seem to think their own personal rights are more important than the rights of society as a whole.

To me this reads like an epitaph. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Maybe you really would be happier living in a place run like China is.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by sellyme »

daenz wrote: post #147

>It's spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you have started getting the vaccine Cases were going down significantly in the USA before the mass rollout of the vaccine. 100% guarantee that people forget that unpleasant fact. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/14/why-coronav... https://abc7news.com/covid-cases-in-us-johnson-and-vaccine-c... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/…

> Cases were going down significantly in the USA before the mass rollout of the vaccine.

This is a very vague statement, so let's put some numbers onto it:

Total US vaccination rates exceeded 1% on January 2nd 2021. The US 7-day rolling average case count peaked on January 11th 2021. At that point, 2.7% of the population was vaccinated, and 632,000 people were being vaccinated every day (again, 7-day rolling average).

Cases were almost certainly going to trend down (albeit to a lesser extent) anyway, but I would argue that mass rollout was concurrent with a ~94% drop in case count.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by foolinaround »

igetspam wrote: post #102
decremental wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they say, "my body, my choice."

Two problems: 1. You can't use that defense in one situation and ignore it in another 2. The thing you're mocking (abortion) has individual consequences, where the thing you're arguing against (vaccination) has community consequences If you are the only viable human victim of the decision, then it is your body and your choice. But just like being a suicide bomber, it's the victims around you that have to be considere…

Having an abortion is not just about individual consequences, but it affects another life. And this life is absolutely defenseless.

One can argue that those who like to protect themselves can do it, regardless of whether folks around them have been vaccinated or not.

Therefore, the vaccination scenario cannot be equated to that of a suicide bomber, whereas the abortion scenario can.

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