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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by alisonkisk »

igetspam wrote: post #114
vacjrj wrote: post #94

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Again, I’ll be altruistic once I have recourse. Why must I waive my legal rights?

Your rights end where the rights of another begin. Put putting others at risk, you are potentially denying them the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Don't get vaccinated and stay home. I support that. Going out in public as a spreader is not a right and the people you infect should be able to hold you legally liable.

That logic bans driving a car, which puts innocent lives at risk.

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Post by sterlind »

betwixthewires wrote: post #71
schwartzworld wrote: post #18

Story time: My daughters day care has 2 fulltime employees and a part timer. The fulltime staff are vaxxed, the part-time person isn't, despite having been eligible for a loooooong time. Well, guess who got an asymptomatic covid infection, and then went on to spread it to her entire family, including her infant granddaughter. Luckily, the person who infected her got tested and let her know in time for her to not infe…

Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.

This person worked in a care setting. It's like a bus driver refusing to install seatbelts, and driving kids around all day. Sure, seatbelts don't protect you 100% from dying in a fiery car crash, but they reduce the risk, the same way the vaccines reduce the risk of transmission.

If someone wants to drive without a seatbelt, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet, that's on them, though I feel for the people having to clean up brains from the pavement. But when you're a carer you absolutely do have an obligation to reduce risk for your wards.

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Post by alisonkisk »

carlgreene wrote: post #119
63 wrote: post #62

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As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

Right, so those who are high risk get vaccinated…what’s the problem?

Some people are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed.

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Post by jiggawatts »

landemva wrote: post #80
jiggawatts wrote: post #29

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You know how when you watch the news and they talk about something that you have first-hand experience of? You instantly realise that they have no clue what they're talking about! Half the article is gibberish, the other is a willful misunderstanding. Then the next article goes on about some topic you don't know, and suddenly you have this nagging suspicion that... hey... maybe they're bullshitting about this too! Th…

Certainly your choice to take something with just an emergency use approval. If you are in USA, consider reading about what docs are useful to have, in case you would need compensation from the vaccine injury fund.

In my country the vaccine had full, normal approval, not emergency approval.

Don't make assumptions.

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Post by maxerickson »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #99
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”. I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines. But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line. I don’t see why people are so offended…

I'm not offended by it, but as a 41 year old, it was (and continues to be) pretty obvious to me that risking covid infection was a lot more dangerous than the vaccines.

The risk from infection isn't super high for me, but the risk from the vaccines is considerably lower, even with the relative lack of long term information (I got my first shot in late March, when there was roughly 10 months of data from the first rounds of the trials).

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Post by picardythird »

nvoid wrote: post #17
picardythird wrote: post #13

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Do you wear a seatbelt in the car?

Yes but no because it is the law. It should be law that car companies provide a seat-belt but not that I wear one. Your one sentence straw-man wont suffice here. Again, it's all about personal risk. I could go climb a cliff face with a rope or I could do it without. I don't need GOVT to tell me not to do the latter.

The problem is that other people have to pay for your negligence. People not wearing masks means doctors and nurses have to work harder, and expose thenselves to unnecessary risk. It means you may infect vulnerable people and they could die. Not wearing a seatbelt means the firetruck has to be called to peel you off the asphalt after an accident. Not wearing a rope while climbing means a helicopter full of medics is going to have to airlift you out. This behavior creates a drain on the system, and that is why there are basic public safety laws.

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Post by alisonkisk »

daenz wrote: post #147

>It's spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you have started getting the vaccine Cases were going down significantly in the USA before the mass rollout of the vaccine. 100% guarantee that people forget that unpleasant fact. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/14/why-coronav... https://abc7news.com/covid-cases-in-us-johnson-and-vaccine-c... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/…

Cases "went down" (and also up) 3 times due to wave effects.

Since the vaccine, the ups stopped.

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Post by borplk »

tziki wrote: post #137
borplk wrote: post #118

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There are legitimate concerns about the safety of the vaccines. This condescending and belittling attitude towards anyone who expresses any concern about the vaccine safety does not help either. It's the propaganda of the big pharma mafia that tickles your narcissism so you get a kick out of feeling like superior for being 'one of the good guys' who is not against the vaccines. On the one hand you have know-it-all an…

You can apply all your logic to any major conspiracy theory. Did we land on the moon? It shouldn't be so controversial if we actually did. You say 9/11 was an inside job? Pfft, drop the self-righteous attitude.

Again you have to ask yourself why are you having such a hard time convincing people to take a so-obviously-safe harmless, and life-saving drug?

And if the only answer you arrive at is "well because those people are stupid .. misinformation ... disinformation ... and they need to be educated" you need to stop and re-evaluate yourself and leave just a tiny bit of room for the possibility that you may be wrong instead of taking a "I'm absolutely right without any doubt" stance.

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Post by ViViDboarder »

landemva wrote: post #74
eyelidlessness wrote: post #42

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I normally find his replies offputting and yes, rude. I don’t even find this one rude. Exasperated for sure, as much as many of us feel confronting bullshit that’s killed an absurdly large number of people that could have lived longer and kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been. I rarely feel this way, but I wish I had the grace and patience and fortitude to express this the way Linus Torvalds di…

"kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been." That was your politicians and your choice. My family went to Florida last November because it was open w/o masks. Don't play the pretend guilt trip about lockups, when nearly all healthy people recover and then have the antibodies. NY politicians forced known C19 carriers into long term care for elderly, causing mass death in this older vulnerable popula…

Miami-Dade county: 18,474 deaths per 100k San Francisco county: 63 deaths per 100k

That’s an accounting of the cost associated by not locking things down.

What we have yet to see is what the economic impact is. However, the city of San Francisco has a budget surplus right now since economically we did better than expected.

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Post by sterlind »

shrubble wrote: post #136

My personal view is that vax vs anti-vax views are shaped by the person's relationship with 'Authority' in the past. If someone felt that they were mis-treated in the past by the government or by say a university bureaucracy, they are more likely to be anti-vax; because appealing to authority has no meaning or relevance to the way they process and assign weights to the information that they rrceive. Of course more po…

That matches what I've seen. An acquaintance of mine who's native was very distrustful of the vaccine and got angry when our state allocated early doses to Indian tribes, saying they were testing it on them (they've since calmed down.) Though on the other hand, a tribal elder I work with was extremely stoked to get the vaccine as soon as possible.

I think politics is a big factor too, honestly. Misinformation flows through echo-chambers and everything becomes partisan.

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