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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by colinmorelli »

effie wrote: post #78
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

My body is not about me? Which people around me are more affected when I take vaccine than me?

The elderly and immunocompromised people you are related to, spend time with, and care about. Or, hell, even those that you don't, but just happen to come in close contact with.

Also, nobody said your body is not about you. GP suggested the vaccine is not about you. Indeed, it's not. We vaccinate not to protect ourselves, but to protect society by reducing the spread of disease. The fact that it will also protect you is of course great as well. This is nothing new, and has been the same for every other vaccine.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by decremental »

effie wrote: post #78
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

My body is not about me? Which people around me are more affected when I take vaccine than me?

Like they say, "my body, my choice."

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by vacjrj »

COGlory wrote: post #65
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

How many documented cases of mass, true altruism are there, out of curiosity? I'm in agreeance that people should get the vaccine, but I'm under no illusion that for a normal (selfish) person, the cost-benefit is a little wonky.

Again, I’ll be altruistic once I have recourse. Why must I waive my legal rights?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by neilk »

COGlory wrote: post #53
lvs wrote: post #43

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Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree that I'm not at all shocked about this level of ignorance brewing within the tech community. These people are very susceptible to snake oil health claims about things like nutrition, "nootropics" and the faux medicine of infinite dilution. So why wouldn't they also be susceptible to misinformation about real biotechnology?

Computer scientists are phenomenal at understanding human-created systems. They are remarkably worse at understanding non-human created systems, from what I can tell (as a structural biologist). "Tech" (whatever that nebulous word means - basically the people lampooned in 'Silicon Valley) are perhaps one of the most gullible groups of people ever, maybe because they are so focused on a combination disruption (thinkin…

Computer scientists are good at understanding computers. Sometimes. That's pretty much it.

Even if you grant that computer scientists are more intelligent than the norm, I find that doesn't help very much. Often, I encounter some computer nerd who has constructed a crystalline tower of logic that's resting on a rickety foundation of evidence and experience.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by imoverclocked »

COGlory wrote: post #53
lvs wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree that I'm not at all shocked about this level of ignorance brewing within the tech community. These people are very susceptible to snake oil health claims about things like nutrition, "nootropics" and the faux medicine of infinite dilution. So why wouldn't they also be susceptible to misinformation about real biotechnology?

Computer scientists are phenomenal at understanding human-created systems. They are remarkably worse at understanding non-human created systems, from what I can tell (as a structural biologist). "Tech" (whatever that nebulous word means - basically the people lampooned in 'Silicon Valley) are perhaps one of the most gullible groups of people ever, maybe because they are so focused on a combination disruption (thinkin…

Interestingly, creativity and lying are highly correlated [1]

On the other hand, we don't know what long-term side-effects the mRNA vaccines have (besides a much lower death-rate and potential herd-immunity... which is why I got vaccinated) and there are definitely articles [2] which point out that it's not always benign to humans.

[1] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/dishonest...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27463732

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by LilBytes »

eoo wrote: post #87

I understand how mRNA works. I've got a background in both Chem and CompSci and I read https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source... But I wouldn't use it for the same reason I don't use Bluetooth headsets -- tech is just way too new, and of for some reason there are long term unexpected side effects, we won't know until a decade or two goes by. PS: I'm vaccinated with the viral vector AstraZeneca o…

Alright, I'll take the bait. Why don't you use Bluetooth headsets?

This seems odd.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by igetspam »

effie wrote: post #78
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

My body is not about me? Which people around me are more affected when I take vaccine than me?

Those you do not kill by being a carrier.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by Negitivefrags »

apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”.

I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines.

But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line.

I don’t see why people are so offended by this view. I literally get seen as a crazy person simply for wanting to wait until the same standards have been applied.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by stevewodil »

vacjrj wrote: post #77
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

What is more moral: - Asking the tiny fraction of the population who are immunocompromised to remain locked down until the safety of vaccines has been empirically verified? - Or asking healthy humans to take an experimental vaccine with no recourse should they suffer adverse effects?

Viruses mutate. Healthy humans won't stay healthy forever. The vaccines are not experimental.

The moral thing to do is protect idiots from their own stupidity because we value their lives still, but recently I'm questioning that.

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