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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by atom_arranger »

popotamonga wrote: post #10
thatswrong0 wrote: post #3

Anecdote: I had this reaction to the 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine, saw a cardiologist and she mentioned that she’s been seeing this quite a bit after the second dose. Have had to lay low for a month, but it seems like the symptoms are finally passing.

What kind of symptoms makes one go to a cardiologist? Just curious

I'm 27 and experienced a lot of chest pains and skipped heartbeats earlier this year. One night I stood up quickly, walked a bit then lost consciousness (low blood pressure), hit my head on the way down. I had an ambulance to the ER after that, they didn't find anything wrong during that visit.

I was referred to a cardiologist, had a holter monitor, ECG, and stress test. None of those turned up any issue.

Going by what I've read about this online I suspect I may have had myocarditis from a case of COVID, but I think that would only show up on an MRI, not the tests I got. Luckily the palpitations and chest pain have mostly gone away over the past couple months.

In relation to speculation about COVID and myocarditis cases elsewhere on this page: I doubt my case will be reported because the association between COVID and heart problems didn't seem to be on the radar of any of the doctors I saw.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by DaniloDias »

smhenderson wrote: post #97
DaniloDias wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the right way to collect this data, given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Put another way: Isn’t VAERS a necessary solution to ensure that the healthcare system does not misrepresent the safety of the vaccines? Transparency should be a first principle requirement for science.

given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Do you have a source for this? As another poster replied, I was encouraged to report symptoms and given a packet with information on what to look out for, what to report and a website to do so. Same with my wife and two adult children.

Sources are first hand- sorry. Don’t have documentation to point to. Know of a two healthy people who were diagnosed with diabetes within a couple days of the second shot.

Apparently this phenomenon is known for actual covid sufferers.

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/why-are-people-developing...

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by dQw4w9WgXcQ »

Flatcircle wrote: post #120

May wife got severe joint pain like arthritis across both arms and in other parts of her body after the Pfizer vax. She's getting several tests done and has been doing physical therapy. It was several months ago and it doesn't seem to be getting better. Her PT said she's been seeing lots of these. She never had covid. I hope she gets better, it's been really difficult.

Have her get blood work for various inflammation and fatigue markers like TSH/FT4/FT3, CBCs, Iron, TIBC, Serum Ferritin, VitD, IL-6, (etc) for a sanity check.

Some of it can simply be stress/anxiety which - if not managed - accumulates as whatever condition emotionally feels like it is "not resolving" and produces similar symptoms. If everything checks out, stuff like Omega3s, VitD, Glucosamine, Chondroitin and a good 3-4 week vacation to unwind are all greatly associated with reducing chronic inflammation.

I think the challenge we're all facing is Dr's are so overwhelmed with all these "inflammatory"-type conditions where some stuff can slip under the radar but they're all inclined to blame it on anxiety/depression. COVID has been a sneaky fucker wrt asymptomatic infections.

The best thing you can do is take as many stressors off the plate and give it 6-9 months. Better 6-9 months off than a lifetime of wading thru chronic issues.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Kognito »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #171
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...

Yeah, somewhat regret my closing comment there. I most likely will take my chances of a second dose over being infected.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Offpics »

Flatcircle wrote: post #120

May wife got severe joint pain like arthritis across both arms and in other parts of her body after the Pfizer vax. She's getting several tests done and has been doing physical therapy. It was several months ago and it doesn't seem to be getting better. Her PT said she's been seeing lots of these. She never had covid. I hope she gets better, it's been really difficult.

8 months ago I developed severe pain, burning and stiffness in hands. Then it went to the legs and finnaly to the whole body. It got to a point where I was bedridden and couldnt eat on my own. All of my energy was put into seeing doctors and doing labs tests wich all turned out negative. I was doing PT and pain killers but they were innefective. Finally, I got a meeting with a rheumatologist that said its fibromyalgia. There are no lab tests to prove fibro diagnosis so Im still not sure about this and I suspect it may be a covid sideffect. Luckily fluoxetin helped me to be back in life, overtime it modify brain to reduce the threshold pain in a soft tissue. Covid damages nerve cells in the soft tissue (thats why people lose smell or even has body pains) so the dots are connecting. I hope your wife will get better, I know how hard it is for a whole family. Normally Im a lurker but who knows, maybe this reply will help with your situation.

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Post by tediousdemise »

I got J&J even after the negative coverage. It uses the same delivery method (a modified adenovirus) as the vaccine used in China, which has already been tested on billions of people. I was skeptical about the mRNA mechanism of action from the start.

I wonder how much our lifespans will be reduced by these vaccines?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by throwaway5752 »

shmel wrote: post #211
moron4hire wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural infection won't provide as long lasting of immunity compared to the mRNA vaccines. And if the vaccine is going to inflame your heart, I seriously doubt it's going to be anything but far worse from the natural infection.

How do you know this? mRNA vaccines are literally so new we don't know what will be in 2 years from now. They were never used in humans. In comparison SARS survivors from 2003 still have immunity (I believe the same is with MERS).

That isn't quite true. Since sars-covid-2 is new, it follows of course the specific vaccine is new. The RNA/mRNA approach goes back 30 years to HIV research, and the current vaccine has many years of research (directly from SARS-1 and MERS, and possible mitigations). A lot is known about them, regardless of widespread use. We will all undoubtedly learn more.

I'm not replying directly to you, but the duration of the immunity isn't terribly important past a certain point. The vaccine is much, much safer than infection. It prevents overwhelming of medical resources, and can reduce the community transmission levels to an extent that it can end a pandemic. Those are the primary benefits, not better or worse immune memory. That would just be a fringe benefit if it were the case.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Kognito wrote: post #224
throwaway5752 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...

Yeah, somewhat regret my closing comment there. I most likely will take my chances of a second dose over being infected.

Please do, and be well. Thank you for replying with that.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by rob74 »

gulli1010 wrote: post #158
devb wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been exercising less since lockdowns started?

I never really exercised much. But heart palpitations are something new, been noticing it for the last few months.

I can share a story about heart palpitations: I started having them in ~2008 without any previous infection (that I know of). Interestingly enough, they were appearing when my heart rate was going down - most noticeably while I was lying in bed trying to sleep, which isn't easy if your heart starts "missing some beats" out of the blue! Went to various doctors, they couldn't find anything wrong with my heart, but couldn't find anything that could help me get rid of the palpitations either. Then, in 2010, I got chickenpox, which at age 36 is a pretty big deal, with high fever, blisters all over the body etc. That took two weeks, and after that my palpitations were gone, and haven't returned since (knock on wood, fingers crossed etc.). So I can only assume that I had some form of myocarditis and the high fever got rid of that too?! No idea...

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by 0-_-0 »

newsclues wrote: post #87
VoiceOfWisdom wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its in testing right now.

I’m listening to the livestream on Bret Weinstein’s channel and they are discussing data that states the opposite including data that shows a concentration in the ovaries.

I'm listening to the same podcast. The source was Pfizer data obtained via FOIA request, it was a Japanese study I think.

edit: this one: https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

Here's the data in a plot:

https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Ovaries...

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