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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by amluto »

sbierwagen wrote: post #13
DennisP wrote: post #2

It'd be nice if they mentioned how many cases there were, compared to number of shots.

They link to the CDC slide deck. Slide 14: https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download 488 total reports from Pfizer-BioNTech, 301 reports from Moderna. Slide 18 shows proportions. 12,169,692 doses administered. Expected number (base rate) of Myocarditis/pericarditis cases in persons under 25, 10 to 103. Cases observed: 277. So it roughly quadrupled the base rate. Which brings the adverse reaction rate up to... 0.00027…

This only requires that a person with myocarditis be 3-4x as likely to notice it after a COVID vaccine than without a COVID vaccine. That seems consistent with a real effect but also consistent with no vaccine effect at all.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by wozniacki »

mrfusion wrote: post #70
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Anecdotal or not, there have been plenty of otherwise healthy young people reporting everything from palpitations, chest pain to arrhythmia

https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/search?q=myocarditi... [1]

[1] /r/CovidVaccinated

https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by nicoburns »

mrfusion wrote: post #70
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Based on my personal experience, I'm pretty skeptical of this. I'm 28, healthy (or was previously), and have never previously had any issues with my heart. Got covid last April which came with quite sharp heart pain which seemed to match up very well to descriptions of myocarditis on and off for about 6 months. And I'm only just now getting to the point now where a raised heart beat isn't painful.

You might say it's anecdotal, but something had to cause that.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by jb775 »

_Microft wrote: post #6

The interesting table with absolute numbers is on page 18 of [0]. Expected and observed cases are cases of myocarditis / pericarditis here. Crude rate is the number of cases per 1 million administered doses. Use landscape mode if you are reading this from a mobile device, the table is narrow enough for that. Age group Doses Crude Expected Observed administ. rate cases cases 12–15 yrs 134,041 22.4 0–1 2 16–17 yrs 2,25…

But this is only reported cases. Most people wouldn't report even if they had symptoms. Others could be impacted without currently having symptoms.

Now prop this data of actual medical conditions created as a result of getting the covid vaccine up against the likelihood of getting covid in the first place, and the likelihood of having lifelong side effects as a result of getting covid. Risk of getting an experimental vaccine substantially outweighs the reward of the "protection" it provides.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by mypalmike »

smhenderson wrote: post #97
DaniloDias wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the right way to collect this data, given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Put another way: Isn’t VAERS a necessary solution to ensure that the healthcare system does not misrepresent the safety of the vaccines? Transparency should be a first principle requirement for science.

given that the frontline practitioners are actively discouraging any patients from making a connection for adverse reactions with the vaccine? Do you have a source for this? As another poster replied, I was encouraged to report symptoms and given a packet with information on what to look out for, what to report and a website to do so. Same with my wife and two adult children.

I was also encouraged to report symptoms (or lack thereof) through a website. Unfortunately the website was thoroughly broken and I was unable to do so.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by xvector »

delecti wrote: post #20
_Microft wrote: post #6

The interesting table with absolute numbers is on page 18 of [0]. Expected and observed cases are cases of myocarditis / pericarditis here. Crude rate is the number of cases per 1 million administered doses. Use landscape mode if you are reading this from a mobile device, the table is narrow enough for that. Age group Doses Crude Expected Observed administ. rate cases cases 12–15 yrs 134,041 22.4 0–1 2 16–17 yrs 2,25…

Crude rate seems to be observed cases per million doses administered. So a lot more incidents than expected, but still extremely rare (0.002% of doses). Edit: missed an extra "0" in that percent, thanks for the the catch everyone who did

As jb775 said, most cases simply won’t be reported. I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual rate is 10-50x higher.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by nicoburns »

psychlops wrote: post #64
elliekelly wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t mind sharing I’d be curious to hear how you knew something was wrong? If I were a man in my teens or early 20s (or even 30s!) I feel like I would chalk any chest pain up to anxiety or heartburn before I ever even considered the possibility of a heart situation. My understanding is myocarditis is usually not a big deal but it does require treatment and isn’t something you should just “wait and see” if it…

I had this as a side effect of covid last year. You are correct, no medication was given and they won't actually do a biopsy of your heart due to the risk so the will simply wait and see. It feels like a big deal. I had never had heart issues and it felt like my whole system was unstable. Hard to describe really. I don't know how serious it is, however. The cardiologists just tested my heart, saw that there was no bl…

Good to hear this experience. I also had this as a side effect of a covid infection last year (having never previously had any heart issues). I've just had my first Phizer dose, and this article had me questioning the wisdom of getting the second dose. But I feel like an hour won't do me much harm. It lasted for months with the actual infection.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by nicoburns »

bialpio wrote: post #66
pmccarren wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure, unadulterated speculation: It felt like the mRNA took hold in both my arm, _and_ my heart. Which given the proximity and paths between, is not entirely surprising. It felt like the vaccine entered my bloodstream and was taken up, in part, by the heart. Which then started making spike protein and soliciting an immune response. I'd really love to learn more about this, but haven't been able to find any good resou…

This post was interesting to me and would mean that if the shot got into your bloodstream, it could've been mis-administered? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27464226

I was also wondering that. There was only the tiniest spot of blood when I got mine.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Flatcircle »

May wife got severe joint pain like arthritis across both arms and in other parts of her body after the Pfizer vax. She's getting several tests done and has been doing physical therapy. It was several months ago and it doesn't seem to be getting better.

Her PT said she's been seeing lots of these.

She never had covid. I hope she gets better, it's been really difficult.

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