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Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by Ensorceled »

StavrosK wrote: post #156
camillomiller wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creative professionals gained immensely through Apple's approach. If I'm a music producer, a film maker, a writer, a graphic designer, and so on, I gain immensely from a computer that just works 99% of the time. I don't need or want to spend time on thinking what's the best set of drivers I should install, or worrying about all the dependencies of this new open source program with no hint of UX-design I've just insta…

How does being able to get root access to an iPhone (the way you can on a Mac) limit creativity?

They are claiming the exact opposite of that: not having root access isn't a limit on creativity.

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Post by blitz_skull »

spython wrote: post #149

The article wants Apple to save us from mindless browsing, but I see mindless browsing as unavoidable. Not because of some technical or legal thing, but because mindless browsing is a good thing. We need it. Mindless browsing is like a walk through the woods, just looking for what is happening, navigating a huge amount of information that is hardly important at the moment – oh, the cherry tree is blooming – but could…

This comparison is apples and oranges. Fresh air and sunlight actually has tangible physical benefits. Staring at a dim blue screen while contorting your thumbs isn’t doing you any favors physically.

To say NOTHING of how infuriating anti-social it has made us as a society.

Nature is mostly good. Mindless scrolling is mostly bad.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by lanevorockz »

You are a fool if you don't think that all of Big Tech is not some form of cattle control. They control what you can see, what you can express and what do you do outside of the platform.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by JrProgrammer »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #296
wilde wrote: post #281

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Apple also abuses push notifications to sell their services so I don’t see this ending any time soon :(

When does Apple ever send push notifications other than software updates?

I recently switched from Android to iOS and it irritates me that Apple push their own product multiple times a week. It might be because my account is new but at least once a week I get notifications of the free year of apple tv and apple arcade without any way to disable this (if you guys know of one please respond)

Besides the notifications I think it's a dark pattern from Apple to actually show a red number badge above the settings app when there is no actionable item except the two things mentioned above.

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Post by criddell »

rpxio wrote: post #307
eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

It looks like they’re adding interruption levels with iOS 15: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... See “Helping People Manage Notifications” section.

That will be abused like crazy. Every marketing notification will be accompanied by an "order now to get 5% off your order" message so it can be classified as time sensitive.

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Post by alistairSH »

andai wrote: post #265
latch wrote: post #261

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> The food delivery apps are worst for this My bank, which is otherwise great, does this. Critically important push notifications and a pretty steady stream of meaningless advertisement.

What kind of important notifications does your bank send? I don't think I've gotten a single notification from my bank about anything. They do still send paper mail though.

I have my banking/credit card apps push notifications every time a transaction occurs (transfers, deposits, withdrawals).

Sure, 99% of them are expected, but it's nice to confirm deposits from my employer were on time, automated payments triggered as planned, etc. Plus, it catches anything nefarious (we had one card hacked a few years ago).

My credit cards also send reminders when payments are scheduled or due (1-2 are set to autopay, but 1-2 are manual pay).

Edit - none of my banks send junk notices. And most of them are configurable for which notices I want, with $ thresholds as well.

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Post by alistairSH »

dm33tri wrote: post #304
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #301

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How often does your bank flag your transactions? I’ve been called once in a decade to authorize a tx.

In my country we confirm every transaction with 2FA, if the site supports secure payments (almost every website)

Sigh. I wish the US would encourage this. It would make me feel so much more confident about fraud prevention.

Re: iOS 15 Humane

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Post by kamilner »

alickz wrote: post #300
eloisius wrote: post #254

If I could ask Apple for one thing it would be to require approval of every push notification that an app developer wants to deliver. That an app gets either cart blanche to send me notifications or nothing at all drives me crazy. I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. Re…

>I don't want to miss a notification that my delivery food arrived, but I don't want to be bombarded with daily advertising messages from foodpanda trying to get me to change my behavior. This is exactly what the Android notification channels allow you to do, and it actually works really well. For UberEats I have the Delivery notification channel enabled, but the Marketing channel disabled. It's really the best of bo…

In UberEats (and many other apps) you can configure which push notifications you get. Is that functionally different than channels for the purposes of turning off marketing notifications? Both seem to rely on the App developer allowing you to turn off the notifications you don't want.

The problem I have are the apps which don't allow that, which presumably also wouldn't allow to separate them into channels for the same reason they don't let you turn them off.

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Post by xpe »

lanevorockz wrote: post #313

You are a fool if you don't think that all of Big Tech is not some form of cattle control. They control what you can see, what you can express and what do you do outside of the platform.

I'm on a mission here on HN to encourage people to write clearly, with specificity, and without exaggeration. In that spirit, let me show how I would edit the comment above. Here are the parts I would modify (i.e. change X -> Y)

1. "You are a fool" -> leave it out. Think about your audience; this phrase is unlikely to persuade.

2. "Big Tech" -> Social Media (e.g. not AWS or Fastly)

3. "They control" -> "They constrain/frame"

4. "what you can see" -> "what you see first / what is recommended"

5. "control" ... "what you can express" -> "your content on their platform"

6. "control" ... "what do you do outside of the platform" -> [delete]

I would also contrast multinational information / social media technologies with the underlying tools that allow governments to monitor and shape people's activity; e.g. firewalls, packet inspection, etc.

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