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What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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latency might be an issue though

Not to mention connectivity

As long as connectivity was 'good enough', the car could have just enough self-driving capability to safely pull over in the case of an interruption. Would still need to be some nines, but wouldn't need to be utterly perfect.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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With that pricepoint, maybe you don't need to implement actual autonomous driving, but instead it could be implemented by employing millions of dronepilots in some far away country that drive your car for you.

latency might be an issue though

You can play high res FPS games on remote GPUs now, so I expect that part could be managed, if not now then in the very near future.

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I despise the whole sharing economy. I prefer the good old days where i own everything i use.

Maybe that's just not the resource efficient way going forward. Maybe in the future people will laugh at the idea of buying 2 tons of steel to sit around doing nothing for 95% of it's lifetime.

Not GP but I feel that renting/subscribing everything doesn't feel very secure.

I'd like to believe a "rentier" future will empower renters with even cheaper options due to efficiency of utility. As you say, having a big chunk of capability sit there most of the time is wasteful in a sense.

However it also feels like it entrenches the rich with further options of rent-seeking.

And it doesn't take much cynicism to think that any benefits due to efficient use of resources will go to the owners pocket, not the customer/renter.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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If you don't have to also buy the car, this might be reasonable

I despise the whole sharing economy. I prefer the good old days where i own everything i use.

„You will own nothing, and you will be happy.“ - WEF

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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post #26

With that pricepoint, maybe you don't need to implement actual autonomous driving, but instead it could be implemented by employing millions of dronepilots in some far away country that drive your car for you.

Driving along the freeway at 100mph and suddenly "sorry afk bro need to go to the toilet"

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

#57

I would rather pay someone to hack my car so I don't have to pay per hour.

What if it crashes into someone, wouldn't you be responsible then?

And we haven't even gotten onto the ethics of - in a bad situation - choosing whether to sacrifice the passenger or another road user.

Would you buy a car that throws you over a cliff to avoid ploughing through 20 kids running stupidly onto the road?

I mean, in theory the autonomous driving will be good enough to protect both. But a similar scenario will come up somewhere/sometime and what is the correct answer? What do you program the car to do?

Aside: Will walking into traffic become the next train surfing thrillseeking? (PS: Movie reference, Intacto.)

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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I would pay zero per hour/day/month/year. I would be open to paying a flat upfront price though. Like we have always done for car features. If this subscription trend continues, cars will become like iphones.

For an Iphone you pay $800, get only 64GB SSD with about 50GB usable which will run out in a matter of months. Then you pay Apple $3 every month until eternity just to be able to use your phone, otherwise it will fill up and even non-apple services will fail to backup (eg, Whatsapp).

For future cars you will pay $30k for the car, which does not have radio, drive assist, etc. And you pay $2 every month to unlock the radio, $2 to unlock the Bluetooth, $2 to unlock the voice control, $2 for climate control, $10 for drive assists, and so on. Keep paying otherwise these basic features will become locked and the hardware you paid for will become less useful.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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post #26

With that pricepoint, maybe you don't need to implement actual autonomous driving, but instead it could be implemented by employing millions of dronepilots in some far away country that drive your car for you.

Driving along the freeway at 100mph and suddenly "sorry afk bro need to go to the toilet"

I am in a country that is far away and experience multi-second connection drops on a regular basis.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

#60

Having finally had a chance to test-"drive" an advanced autopilot Tesla last weekend, I can confidently say at the current level of that tech I would pay less than nothing. At best (cruising down a well-marked highway) it was only slightly worse than useless, taking a different line in the lane than I considered optimal, leaving me feeling a background level of apprehension. From there it ranged through frustrating,…

Tesla's status on this is really controversial. Some people think that Tesla's sheer data advantage will put them way ahead soon and that it's imminent. On the other hand, Waymo is doing pretty well on most trips (admittedly within a small geofenced zone that has friendly weather -- you can watch oodles of video from jjricks on real trips here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61AfxOMu3wY )
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