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Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by chrisseaton »

ALittleLight wrote: post #298
chrisseaton wrote: post #255

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> When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Lol they just told you they think it's reasonable! Why bother asking for someone’s opinion if we're just going to berate them for it? I think the Apple cut is justified because Apple provide the best platform. If someone can provide a better platform for a smaller cut people would move to it.

No, they wouldn't. That's the point. Apple and Google control the market for mobile phone apps. You could invent the best possible app store and take nothing as a cut and get no users because Apple wouldn't permit your app store and so you'd lose. Apple uses their hardware market dominance to control the software market and extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware. That's what people are…

> No, they wouldn't.

I don't know why you think that. If someone developed a compelling new mobile platform that supported side-loading apps why wouldn't you move to it since that's what you value?

> Apple uses their hardware market dominance

It's dominant because it's good. Part of the reason it's good is because it's locked down. If it wasn't locked down it wouldn't be as good. The Android experience is miserable because they aren't as locked down.

> extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware

I don't know what to say apart from this seems the most honest and reasonable thing in the world to me. They provide a service with legitimate value and ask people to pay for access to it.

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Post by querulous »

vbezhenar wrote: post #53
distribot wrote: post #28

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OnlyFans wouldn't be allowed in the App Store since it is essentially pornography. I am curious if they would given the chance, but they can't

Reddit allows pornography in the app if you've chosen NSFW setting. How OnlyFans is different?

reddit would likely get rejected by the app in today's enforcement environment. discord was recently forced to disable nsfw channels in the ios client

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Post by [deleted] »

alpacaillama wrote: post #303
Apocryphon wrote: post #269

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Fanhouse is explicitly supposed to be PG-13 and a family-friendly equivalent to other similar platforms. It wouldn't have even been listed on the App Store if it wasn't.

I can find you 15 fanhouse creator tweets that are suggestive in nature. They get around the PG-13 requirement by calling it “lewd”. Do you want 13 year olds to buy lewds? Lol def not PG-13 whatever they claim. And from personal experience a creator who has offered to let me buy her nudes on fanhouse’s pay to view. I too can claim something is SFW.

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Post by alpacaillama »

Apocryphon wrote: post #269
alpacaillama wrote: post #242

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Going to jump in and reply. Patreon explicitly doesn’t do Pay to views, doesn’t have interaction gated behind paywalls, and is meant as just a straight transfer of $. Fanhouse does a lot of these things which counts as digital transactions. This differentiation makes sense to me. Also interestingly most people I have seen use fanhouse use it for NFSW stuff but Stripe seems to be fine with it? Specifically the pay to…

Fanhouse is explicitly supposed to be PG-13 and a family-friendly equivalent to other similar platforms. It wouldn't have even been listed on the App Store if it wasn't.

Here’s one such tweet fyi: https://twitter.com/rotkill/status/1367687681837301761?s=21 Just go on twitter and search for “fanhouse lewd” make sure twitter is not auto correcting fanhouse to funhouse. Lol they are clearly violating Stripe’s agreement and Apple’s no porn rule. All the SFW is marketing to differ from Onlyfans and has worked. :)

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Post by LocalH »

rib3ye wrote: post #234
amelius wrote: post #181

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Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

"Industry standard", by itself, is meaningless. What if "industry standard" was 75%?

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Post by 3pt14159 »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Microsoft takes 30% of xbox purchases. That's the argument.

Apple doesn't take 30% of every purchase you make online. You're free to use a browser and purchase there where Apple doesn't take a cut.

I'm not saying I agree with this, and I think 30% is about triple what's reasonable, but if we're going to rail against Apple here, we should include Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft too.

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Post by xdennis »

CharlesW wrote: post #292
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. I am "people" and I absolutely do not want app developers creating their own silo'd app stores. The last thing I want to do is download separate app stores for every major app vendor on my phone, to give them all my credit card info, to have per-store standards for warning me about privacy issues, to have different policies…

Having the ability to install non-Apple-approved applications doesn't remove your ability to install Apple-approved applications.
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