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Post by kristiandupont »

whydoibother wrote: post #190
echelon wrote: post #163

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Apple fans are doing evil. They just don't realize it. They're too awestruck by the brand to understand the harm it does. Talk to your legislators. That is the way to fix this tribulation.

Wanting a sane and stable and reliable device is doing evil? Oh please. If the changes happened that people (who apparently don't use iOS) wanted, iOS would turn into the godawful shitshow that is Android. No thanks. If you don't like Apple, boycott them. Easy.

>If you don't like Apple, boycott them. Easy

If your customers demand an iOS app, boycotting them is not easy. It's expensive either way.

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Post by CharlesW »

manigandham wrote: post #260
3grdlurker wrote: post #159

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I just like Apple’s App Store the way that it is. I’ve been through so many technology stacks and it I find their platform a joy to work with. The SDKs are coherent, very well-architected, extremely easy to use, and I have access to a user base that has very high adoption rates of the latest software versions so that I don’t have to worry so much about fragmentation. It’s the happiest I’ve been as a coder, so I feel…

The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation.

I am "people" and I absolutely do not want app developers creating their own silo'd app stores.

The last thing I want to do is download separate app stores for every major app vendor on my phone, to give them all my credit card info, to have per-store standards for warning me about privacy issues, to have different policies and UIs for managing subscriptions, etc. This is a technology nightmare.

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Post by chrisseaton »

flutas wrote: post #285
chrisseaton wrote: post #266

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> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?

Hmm, well Apple already has seemingly got their profit from the device when it was...purchased the first time? Or should phones just become a subscription service overall so that you can never actually own your own hardware?

The answer to both questions is... it's up to Apple. When you design and build a product it'd be up to you how you design for your revenue.

If Apple allowed side-loading apps or custom app stores that'd cost them more to build and support that functionality, and it would damage their existing functionality through extra complexity and security surface, harming their existing happy customers. They don't want to do it. Why should they? Use Android if you have a problem with it.

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Post by michaelmrose »

3grdlurker wrote: post #159
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

I just like Apple’s App Store the way that it is. I’ve been through so many technology stacks and it I find their platform a joy to work with. The SDKs are coherent, very well-architected, extremely easy to use, and I have access to a user base that has very high adoption rates of the latest software versions so that I don’t have to worry so much about fragmentation. It’s the happiest I’ve been as a coder, so I feel…

Nobody believes it's not ok for developers to opt in at 30% the point is that they are forcing them to do so by retaining control of devices after they have sold them.

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Post by querulous »

sida wrote: post #276
smnrchrds wrote: post #161

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Netflix was able to do this because Apple carved out an exception for them by gerrymandering the rules so Netflix could do this. They did that because Netflix was powerful enough. Hey tried to do a similar thing, but Apple was having none of it. They were going to force them to pay them 30%, because they were not powerful enough. When the social media storm made them more powerful, Apple acquiesced.

audible - the audio book app also does not allow purchases in-app. Fanhouse can just let purchases happen on web

if you read the twitter thread or the verge article you'll see this isn't true. fanhouse did disable in app purchases and force transactions via the web and apple threatened to pull their app unless they reenabled in app purchases

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Post by wvenable »

rib3ye wrote: post #234
amelius wrote: post #181

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Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

Microsoft and Sony take 30% of game revenue. A piece of software is sold and they take a cut. They also take a cut of in app purchases of game expansions and game items.

Apple, on the other hand, wants to take a cut of every non-physical item purchase on their platform regardless of what it is. They also don't want any non-physical item purchases to occur off their platform. Unlike Microsoft and Sony, Apple's platform is a gateway to all kinds of businesses selling all kinds of goods, both physical and digital, with a range of business models.

Apple could even take a cut of physical item purchases if they wanted; they just decided they don't want to (for obvious reasons).

I agree it's similar but it's also not exactly the same.

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Post by pfranz »

manigandham wrote: post #260
3grdlurker wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just like Apple’s App Store the way that it is. I’ve been through so many technology stacks and it I find their platform a joy to work with. The SDKs are coherent, very well-architected, extremely easy to use, and I have access to a user base that has very high adoption rates of the latest software versions so that I don’t have to worry so much about fragmentation. It’s the happiest I’ve been as a coder, so I feel…

The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

I think 30% is absurd, but that would definitely change things for every user. I don't want to install Adobe's store because I need to use their PDF reader. I don't want to install Microsoft's store because I need to use Teams or Outlook for work.

Other App Stores mean that companies get to make that decision--not end users. How could it be otherwise?

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Post by ALittleLight »

chrisseaton wrote: post #255
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #218

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When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Sure, if you have 2 sales a month, I guess Apple is providing you $0.60 of revenue. That's not what this thread is about.

> When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Lol they just told you they think it's reasonable! Why bother asking for someone’s opinion if we're just going to berate them for it? I think the Apple cut is justified because Apple provide the best platform. If someone can provide a better platform for a smaller cut people would move to it.

No, they wouldn't. That's the point. Apple and Google control the market for mobile phone apps.

You could invent the best possible app store and take nothing as a cut and get no users because Apple wouldn't permit your app store and so you'd lose.

Apple uses their hardware market dominance to control the software market and extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware. That's what people are complaining about.

"Why don't they just invent their own hardware, phone OS, and app store?" Hmm, yes, why not?

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Post by threatofrain »

ALittleLight wrote: post #298
chrisseaton wrote: post #255

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> When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Lol they just told you they think it's reasonable! Why bother asking for someone’s opinion if we're just going to berate them for it? I think the Apple cut is justified because Apple provide the best platform. If someone can provide a better platform for a smaller cut people would move to it.

No, they wouldn't. That's the point. Apple and Google control the market for mobile phone apps. You could invent the best possible app store and take nothing as a cut and get no users because Apple wouldn't permit your app store and so you'd lose. Apple uses their hardware market dominance to control the software market and extracts rent from people who want to sell software on their hardware. That's what people are…

It's notable that Google does allow their customers to side-load apps.

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Post by pessimizer »

rib3ye wrote: post #234
amelius wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

Price-fixing as a defense is so odd.
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