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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by hellisothers » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

beckler wrote: post #19

hellisothers wrote: post #12

Seems pretty disingenuous given they had to have known this would happen (note that OnlyFans has no app)

Then why do Venmo and CashApp get a pass? Is Fanhouse trying to leverage Apple’s Payment APIs without paying or something?

Those apps are not distributing content, I haven’t installed Fanhouse but from looking at their website it seems that you can consume the content you’re paying for through it.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by falcolas » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

syntaxing wrote: post #2

Seriously curious, what percentage is “fair”? Or is the issue you can’t side load this app without going through the App Store?

Well, Google charges 30%. Microsoft (for the XBox, not sure about their store) 30%. Sony (PS4) 30%. Steam was 30%, but this is dropping. Nintendo's is well protected by NDAs, but reportedly 15-30%.

30% is pretty close to a standard when you're providing the storefront and control the hardware.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by bgandrew » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

Apple is just milking people at this point. Their devices are subpar for the cost and customer treatment is sometimes even worse.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Hamuko » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

hellisothers wrote: post #21

beckler wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why do Venmo and CashApp get a pass? Is Fanhouse trying to leverage Apple’s Payment APIs without paying or something?

Those apps are not distributing content, I haven’t installed Fanhouse but from looking at their website it seems that you can consume the content you’re paying for through it.

So Netflix?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by wing-_-nuts » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:03 PM UTC

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by JamesSwift » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

Usually for proper push messaging and background processing

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by smnrchrds » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

beckler wrote: post #19

hellisothers wrote: post #12

Seems pretty disingenuous given they had to have known this would happen (note that OnlyFans has no app)

Then why do Venmo and CashApp get a pass? Is Fanhouse trying to leverage Apple’s Payment APIs without paying or something?

> Then why do Venmo and CashApp get a pass?

Don't give Apple any ideas. Next thing you know, they start charging you 30% of each transaction and are working on a way to send you an invoice for 30% of any transactions you do in real life.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by distribot » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

hellisothers wrote: post #12

Seems pretty disingenuous given they had to have known this would happen (note that OnlyFans has no app)

OnlyFans wouldn't be allowed in the App Store since it is essentially pornography. I am curious if they would given the chance, but they can't

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by smoldesu » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

syntaxing wrote: post #2

Seriously curious, what percentage is “fair”? Or is the issue you can’t side load this app without going through the App Store?

The issue is that Apple continues to inroad services and tools through their own proprietary systems, which gives them a better excuse to mark up their products. Giving users the choice of marketplaces gives Apple incentive to stay competitive in an otherwise monopolistic software segment.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by drivebycomment » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 8:08 PM UTC

Per https://fanhouse.app/, "Fanhouse is the place where creators can monetize their social media personalities by posting freely about their lives, like a finsta, close friends story, or private alt, while connecting and engaging with their top fans."

So they built a platform, where they take some cut for themselves, while allowing other people to sell some digital contents on their platform. Apple built a platform, where they take some cut for themselves, while allowing other people to sell digital contents on their platform.

Other than the argument that this could be an anti-trust situation (i.e. in that case, the argument would be that Apple is abusing their market position), what differentiates these two cases ?