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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

rib3ye wrote: post #234
amelius wrote: post #181

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Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

The standard argument that a 30% is ok for video games but not ok for the App Store is that games are special and different. I don’t find it convincing. I think a better argument is that a 30% cut is wrong full stop, but going after phone app stores is a higher enforcement priority because the stakes are higher. An increasing portion of commerce is digital, and increasing portion is happening on phones. Apple will try to expand the coverage of the 30% cut until someone makes them stop. The only way they can keep growing as a 2 trillion dollar company is to take an increasing cut of the world’s economic activity.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by singlow »

devit wrote: post #144
insert_coin wrote: post #128

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Yeah, computing is not a market. I get you are trying to win an easy sentimental argument, but making your own market definitions will not make them a monopoly. Apple sells products, not "computing". In no market where they sell products they have a monopoly.

They have a monopoly on devices running iOS apps, and a monopoly on channels to deliver mobile software to anyone who uses an iPhone (i.e. either their App Store or Safari).

So Does GM have a monopoly on Chevrolets? Does that mean they can be regulated as a monopoly? Chevrolets compete with Fords and Mercedes and Honda, etc; so having a monopoly on your own brand is not a monopoly. I have both an Android phone and an iPhone, so when I hear that Apple has a phone monopoly it just seems like dumb whining.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by smnrchrds »

sida wrote: post #276
smnrchrds wrote: post #161

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Netflix was able to do this because Apple carved out an exception for them by gerrymandering the rules so Netflix could do this. They did that because Netflix was powerful enough. Hey tried to do a similar thing, but Apple was having none of it. They were going to force them to pay them 30%, because they were not powerful enough. When the social media storm made them more powerful, Apple acquiesced.

audible - the audio book app also does not allow purchases in-app. Fanhouse can just let purchases happen on web

You mean Audible by Amazon.com, Inc.?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by michaelmrose »

marsdepinski wrote: post #275
amelius wrote: post #181

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Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

Missing the point they the only way to install apps on an IPhone is the app store. If you had choice to freely download apps from the internet, this would not be a monopoly abuse issue. Then sure charge on the app store whatever you want, allow competing so stores that also offer reviewed software.

Correct if they did this virtually every really big player would opt out and offer a package on their website. See the MS and apple desktop store.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by flutas »

chrisseaton wrote: post #266
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?

Hmm, well Apple already has seemingly got their profit from the device when it was...purchased the first time?

Or should phones just become a subscription service overall so that you can never actually own your own hardware?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by RandallBrown »

sangnoir wrote: post #237
RandallBrown wrote: post #200

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What exemptions does Netflix have? They aren't using their own payment provider since you can't actually pay for anything from within the app.

> What exemptions does Netflix have? Netflix is exempted from mandatory usage of Apple's payment platform. OP stated that Apple is threatening to pull the app if she does the same thing that Netflix gets away with: avoid using Apple's payment platform, and set up payments outside of the app. For a company that loves demanding its partners adopt Most-Favored Nation clauses, Apple sure does hate treating its app develo…

Netflix doesn't take payment in its iOS app as far as I can find.

They are allowed to take payment on their website for a subscription, but so is any other developer.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by bsaul »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #281
rib3ye wrote: post #234

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The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

The standard argument that a 30% is ok for video games but not ok for the App Store is that games are special and different. I don’t find it convincing. I think a better argument is that a 30% cut is wrong full stop, but going after phone app stores is a higher enforcement priority because the stakes are higher. An increasing portion of commerce is digital, and increasing portion is happening on phones. Apple will tr…

The argument with videogame consoles was that console makers were actually loosing money on each console sold, and would make up for it by taking a larger cut on each game sold.

This is of course very different from apple business model.

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Post by michaelmrose »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #281
rib3ye wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

The standard argument that a 30% is ok for video games but not ok for the App Store is that games are special and different. I don’t find it convincing. I think a better argument is that a 30% cut is wrong full stop, but going after phone app stores is a higher enforcement priority because the stakes are higher. An increasing portion of commerce is digital, and increasing portion is happening on phones. Apple will tr…

It's not ok period if the owner of the device can't choose to install software themselves.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by michaelmrose »

dwaite wrote: post #272
manigandham wrote: post #254

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There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

Citation needed? (For Playstation, XBox)

That too isn't ok

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by moogly »

filoleg wrote: post #247
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #218

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When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Sure, if you have 2 sales a month, I guess Apple is providing you $0.60 of revenue. That's not what this thread is about.

You can have more than 2 sales. If you are making under $1mil in app revenue in a year, Apple takes a 15% cut instead of 30%.

You can thank Epic for that recent change.
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