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FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Some people here already crowned this as the Zoom killer. Really?! Have they ever used Zoom?! Zoom is an ecosystem now - unlike FaceTime, which is the typical walled garden of Apple!

How is Zoom an ecosystem? I was more than a year to the pandemic before joining the first Zoom meeting, to me it all seems to be Teams/Meet/Jitsi.

Which obviously is a very biased view too, and just to suggest the Zoom dominance is probably only in your own circles.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Some people here already crowned this as the Zoom killer. Really?! Have they ever used Zoom?! Zoom is an ecosystem now - unlike FaceTime, which is the typical walled garden of Apple!

> Zoom is an ecosystem now

What is in this ecosystem other than video calling? I use it everyday but didn't realise that there was an ecosystem around it.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Spare a thought for Zoom. I don't see them surviving this.

Isn't Zoom mostly for businesses? They for sure won't be switching to Facetime. Facetime is also irrelevant outside of US so I'm not so sure this announcement has much effect on anything.

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The transition from Google Play Music to YouTube Music has been insane. They rebuilt apps seemingly from the ground up, only without a bunch of features. Meanwhile the actual product has, at best, stood still for about two years now. Meanwhile Spotify are running rings around them.

Spotify has atrocious quality, their apps frequently are unresponsive and crash or won't play music often. Just about everyone I know who uses it complains about it from time to time. I haven't tried YT music so I can't compare, just saying.

I have both and really have no issues, just saying. Spotify has the crazy advantage of being on literally every device I own, my car has a Spotify app built-in directly into the dash which makes it crazy convenient, I also have it directly on my TV, on my speaker.....they have built an ecosystem and the ecosystem works great(in my case).

One complaint I have about them is that shuffle is broken. Completely broken. And I know they explained multiple times that it's not, that people are imagining things, but I just don't believe that - it's impossible that in a playlist with 300 songs I keep hearing the same 5 songs over and over and over again!

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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> illegal besides being immoral and a literal F-U to your consumers, it can bring anti trust cases when you are as big as Apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in But other than that, well, just go celebrate your $2 gain on your APPL stocks despite the fact you were prohibited to call 50% of your friends just so someone couldn't save a few bucks when buying a phone for their teenage kid. Go you!

How is it immoral to not actively support your competitor's hardware with your software and services? Of course it isn't, iMessage is not a utility, it's not a public good. You can still text or make voice calls to anyone you want, or even video calls using dozens of third party apps. They have no moral obligation at all to extend their own first party services to Android, that's an absurd idea.

The intention behind not letting it work for their competitors is immoral and potentially illegal. They want to do it to prevent their consumers to buy their competitors products for their family, even if their competitors product are better; just because they already have a device in the Apple ecosystem.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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How is it immoral to not actively support your competitor's hardware with your software and services? Of course it isn't, iMessage is not a utility, it's not a public good. You can still text or make voice calls to anyone you want, or even video calls using dozens of third party apps. They have no moral obligation at all to extend their own first party services to Android, that's an absurd idea.

The intention behind not letting it work for their competitors is immoral and potentially illegal. They want to do it to prevent their consumers to buy their competitors products for their family, even if their competitors product are better; just because they already have a device in the Apple ecosystem.

They are not "preventing" anyone from doing anything, they are simply, until now, refraining from improving their competitors devices by releasing their software for it.

Of course they prefer people to buy iPhones for their kids, there is nothing wrong with that, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with not actively working to make the experience of mixed Android-iPhone families slightly better.

There are literally dozens of cross platform messaging and video calling apps. Banning these would have been wrong, and possibly illegal, but they are not doing that.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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It would be great if they offered iMessage cross-platform.

The US is pretty unique in having iMessage as it's primary message platform. Something like 70% of US smartphones are iPhones. Everyone else in the world is using cross-platforms like WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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> illegal besides being immoral and a literal F-U to your consumers, it can bring anti trust cases when you are as big as Apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in But other than that, well, just go celebrate your $2 gain on your APPL stocks despite the fact you were prohibited to call 50% of your friends just so someone couldn't save a few bucks when buying a phone for their teenage kid. Go you!

I think it's funny that Android users are so angry with Apple for not releasing iMessage and FaceTime for Android. How dare Apple not make their communications platforms even more dominant! Not having iMessage on Android is immoral! Not having FaceTime on Android is "a literal F-U" to their customers! I think it's funny because Apple left a decade-long opening for Google to build equally good Android alternatives to…

I don't really care for iMessage or Facetime, I don't use them even though I can, but

> because Apple left a decade-long opening for Google to build equally good Android alternatives to iMessage

is simply not true. No one but Apple can integrate SMS and messaging on iOS as Apple can; others do not have entitlements for that. You could do it on Android (and Google did for a brief period with Hangouts, and so did Signal), but you can't do it on iOS.

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To be honest, it is more a F-U to your competitors' customers than to your own. I don't get why Apple creating a feature for their own ecosystem has to be made available to other ecosystems as well. It's not like Face Time is the only video calling solution out there.

The way Android users complain about the lack of Apple iMessage and Apple FaceTime on their phones, you'd be forgiven for questioning whether Android had any messaging or video calling features.

I will tell you a secret: it's not Android users who complain about the lack of iMessage or Facetime. Most of them are not even aware of their existence. They are using Whataspp, or Viber, or whatever and go on with their lives.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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> You can use FaceTime without a phone number. Just create an Apple account You cannot create an Apple account without providing a phone number.

Any number is usable though, it can be a landline and use automated call rather than sms. Point is to limit false account (and I guess also having some clues about real identity in case of abuse).

So you still can't use Facetime without a phone number.
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