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FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Google Meet is a pretty solid solution and I have never had a problem with it, been using it for years.

Years? https://mobilesyrup.com/2020/04/08/google-meet-rebrand/ Google rebrands or changes entire apps at a whim. I’m shocked they haven’t ruined Google Apps (Workspace) with their changes.

Yes, it was originally named "Hangouts Meet", and was renamed about a year ago to remove "Hangouts" from the name. It's still the same app, though.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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This is a honest question, so, what is so good about FaceTime? I have not used an iPhone since version 3GS, so it has been a while, but I understand it is just something similar to whatsapp video calls, google meet, or even zoom?

It's just easier to use for Apple entrenched people. You can automatically see which of your contacts you can call with it and you can do it straight from the contacts app. Plus it will ring iPhone/Mac/iPad. Otherwise it's not considerably different.

That's a bit dismissive. I use android and iOS devices regularly and of all the options facetime is what I use the most for the following reasons: 1) The latency is very good, which is critical for a comfortable video chat experience. 2) Performance and experience is reliable and consistent and it handles less-than-ideal network condition very well. It's the one that I know is most likely to give me an acceptable experience the first time.

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Seriously why are Google video calls SO confusing and why do they change every year?

Google Meet is a pretty solid solution and I have never had a problem with it, been using it for years.

Do you use it in Chrome? I have tried chrome and Firefox but they both make my fans spin for one video stream and four audio streams. Zoom's native app OTOH seems to handle multiple video streams with ease. This is on macOS.

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Doesn't the same apply to chat software / iMessage? Also, FaceTime isn't really conferencing software (though they added a bunch of conferencing feature just now). It's closer to Duo, which focuses on casual face to face meetings, not at desk, presenting slides kind of video meeting.

No, because it just moves to SMS for the group, instead. Video conferencing has no ubiquitous fallback.

Neither does SMS for large parts of the world. Not everyone has unlimited SMS like US carriers do. And/or as soon as one participant is abroad you're talking international SMS prices.

This isn't a clean fallback option.

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I honestly 100% feel like this is the main justification for all changes happening with Google products. I swear to god Google Photos changes the entire layout every year for no reason whatsoever. Whatever they change it to isn't better, just different. But the entire website has to be remodelled and your users have to learn the entire website again because.....someone on the UI team has to justify their 6 digit sala…

The transition from Google Play Music to YouTube Music has been insane. They rebuilt apps seemingly from the ground up, only without a bunch of features. Meanwhile the actual product has, at best, stood still for about two years now. Meanwhile Spotify are running rings around them.

RIP google play music. They had the _best_ recommendations - my suggested new releases would often include a fantastic album by a band I’d never heard of. Since switching to Spotify, i get suggestions for new music by artists I already know I like, but I haven’t found any new artists I love in the same way.

I miss what for the same reason

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Signal: requires disclosing a phone number to everyone you use it with

> Signal: requires disclosing a phone number to everyone you use it with Signal also got distracted with a cryptocurrency scheme [1]. That shot their credibility in many circles. [1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/04/wtf-signal-ad...

First, the "also" is misplaced. Signal's telephone number requirement is a privacy feature; it's not that Signal wants your phone number, but that using phone numbers as identifiers allows them to build a social graph --- every mainstream messaging app involves a social graph --- without keeping plaintext contact lists serverside, which is what every other mainstream messenger does. That's not a small thing; the information in those contact lists is one of the highest priority targets for any state-level adversary.

I don't love the cryptocurrency stuff either. I'm not defending it. But "shot their credibility" is an overstatement.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Good news that Apple is at least thinking of interoperability, even if it is really basic. I am curious if their product can compete in the open market, though. Facetime UI/UX is quite horrible when compared to Whatsapp/Messenger. My prediction is that this feature will see negligible adoption and use, partly because the product is inferior compared to other pre-existing video-calling options.

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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Isn't facetime encrypted ? and assuming it is - would doing this android or web break that or keep it solid? Will the folks using iOs devices be warned that they are sharing audio/video with a lesser protected device? I wouldn't mind having another secure option that everyone could use easily.

At the presentation at least, they said it would still be E2E encrypted even on the web. Duo is also E2E encrypted and supports web.

tbh wouldn’t making FaceTime on web just essentially rebuilding a WebRTC system with the encryption layer and related metadata for formatting the stream?

Re: FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web

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The transition from Google Play Music to YouTube Music has been insane. They rebuilt apps seemingly from the ground up, only without a bunch of features. Meanwhile the actual product has, at best, stood still for about two years now. Meanwhile Spotify are running rings around them.

Are they though? I'm actually curious since I don't know the numbers but wouldn't use Spotify if you paid me. I've got nothing against the app, but YouTube Premium gets me ad-free youtube everywhere including casting devices as well as a solid music streaming app. If it weren't for the value of the bundle I'd likely not care as much though.

> If it weren't for the value of the bundle I'd likely not care as much though.

Surely being paid to use Spotify would represent even better value.

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