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Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by AdrianB1 »

zuhsetaqi wrote: post #43
radmuzom wrote: post #41

I wish we move back to the days when most software was like utorrent, notepad++, etc. The standard response to this statement is "but today's software does so much more" - to which I don't agree. As someone who has been using computers since 1994 - including machines which did not have a hard drive - modern software is very very frustrating to use in every way I can think of.

Can you give a few examples? I’m not using computers that long and don’t know in which way modern software is so frustrating.

I am probably older than the OP, but computers that are 100 times faster today are having sometimes more lag than 30 years ago. I am thinking about Teams and Visual Studio Code that I use a lot, Teams is the first IM client where I start typing and multiple letters are lost until Teams starts to catch my input, while opening a small SQL script file in VS Code looks like a slideshow displaying the text first, then adding color coding and at the end highlighting errors - all in several seconds on modern Ryzen 5600X CPU with lots of RAM. A native app can probably do all this in a small fraction of the time.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by oblio »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #91
oblio wrote: post #80

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> where all the features have been deleted We're never going to go back to the old days. Back then desktop computing was 100% of end user computing and everyone assumed all users end up as power users. Now desktop computing is ~30% of end user computing and shrinking and we realize that most people have absolutely no desire to become power users. It's not that they can't, they don't want to (think other interests, an…

Then what software is there for us who do wish to be power users? If it gets eliminated through atrophy, that is yet another example of market failure.

Old software, software developed by passionate devs, software developed by small companies.

And, yes, the market is shrinking and you can see the rust spots. Pidgin used to be a top-notch multi-messenger, now it's a ghost town. Just one example.

I don't know what the end state is, but I can't imagine it's pretty, especially since fewer and fewer people will use desktops/laptops, both as absolute numbers and as percentages.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by qq4 »

chongli wrote: post #89
qq4 wrote: post #71

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I remember using and liking Winamp, but I didn't use it for anything other than playing music files. How was/is Winamp more capable than the Spotify app?

Winamp has tons of really powerful plugins. You can use them to play all kinds of strange file formats. One I really like is SNESAmp [1], a plug-in for playing Super Nintendo game music. Another Winamp plug-in that’s incredibly useful is the disk-writer, included with the application. With it you can use any of the input plugins to transcode files to uncompressed WAV format. [1] http://alpha-ii.com/Download/Main.html…

Thanks for the reply, those features are pretty cool.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Aerroon »

hnarn wrote: post #108
Aerroon wrote: post #18

One thing I wish Notepad++ could do is to create a table document instead of the regular text document. Kind of like excel. It doesn't have to have any fancy formulas or anything like that, simply a grid with writeable cells. I love how lightweight it is and I like collecting notes in it. Data is better in a table rather than a text document though. I haven't checked recently whether such a thing might exist, but las…

> Data is better in a table rather than a text document though. I feel like I'm missing something here. What situations are you ending up in where it's a problem that "data" is mixed up together with text? There's already multiple ways to express tables (or more correctly data structures) with text. You could write a Markdown table, as CSV, or a JSON object, or any of the other innumerable ways there are of structuri…

The problem is formatting. If I put two tabs between each column in a text document but then on some row I need to write a sentence then my tabbed table in the text document is going to be harder to read.

And no, those would absolutely not be easier to use when you're just writing down observations or keeping a log of something like blood pressure.

Also, they're not really mixed together. I'm just thinking of a tab being a table in it, not mixing tables and text in one document.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Aerroon »

badsectoracula wrote: post #45
Aerroon wrote: post #18

One thing I wish Notepad++ could do is to create a table document instead of the regular text document. Kind of like excel. It doesn't have to have any fancy formulas or anything like that, simply a grid with writeable cells. I love how lightweight it is and I like collecting notes in it. Data is better in a table rather than a text document though. I haven't checked recently whether such a thing might exist, but las…

Some years ago i wrote this little tool for editing RFC 4180 CSV files, you may find it useful. http://runtimeterror.com/tools/table/

Thanks!

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Jonnax »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #144
Jonnax wrote: post #139

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Maximised on my 4k display I see 26 album arts which look high resolution. How much ram would that take decoded? There's also the song data for what's playing now and next song. You don't seem to understand what the application is doing.

Just show and play my music and not drag along the entire Chrome web browser to do that.

The chrome rendering engine plus node js.

Why is that so different from Java or .NET?

Simply because it's an easy meme.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Jonnax »

fouric wrote: post #148
Jonnax wrote: post #138

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The problem is that your 8 year old ThinkPad is less powerful than a $300 smartphone. Electron will be using GPU rendering. What kind of GPU performance does your 8 year old laptop have? Probably a minimum of 5x less performance than a smart phone.

> your 8 year old ThinkPad is less powerful than a $300 smartphone What does "more powerful" even mean? If you mean "better single-threaded CPU performance", I absolutely don't believe you. If you mean "better multi-threaded CPU performance", I might believe you, but would need evidence. Moreover, that's irrelevant . I, and everyone else who talks about "bloated Electron apps" (including in this thread) is almost exc…

A Samsung A51 is a budget phone:

https://browser.geekbench.com/android_devices/samsung-galaxy...

Similar performance to an average Haswell Laptop CPU.

https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/intel-core-i7-4600u

Also it has the Intel 4000 series. This GPU lagged in rendering the windows desktop on 1080. Let alone with a dual monitor setup.

It's not irrelevant. My point is that your ancient CPU with a horrible GPU is less powerful than a mid range smart phone.

Or a secondhand flagship.

There needs to come a point where you accept that your hardware is crap not the software.

Dota 2 is 7 years old. It wasn't decent graphics back in 2013. You may as well have said that the laptop runs minesweeper with decent graphics.

Go load up Genshin Impact. It runs on smartphones, but I imagine might set your new laptop on fire.

Why is your 15% thing the fault of electron? Microsoft teams is a crap application it's not the frameworks fault.

I'd say the majority of shitty applications I've used is coded in Java.

I've used plenty of enterprise tools that spit out the lovely error message "NullPointerException"

Is it fair to say that all apps coded with Java is shit?

But also where are you getting your 15% from?

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by MiddleEndian »

lnl wrote: post #129

While I am happy that Notepad++ added a dark mode, I am frustrated that Microsoft forced Notepad++ (and all Windows programs) to add hacky workarounds for a dark mode. Notepad++ already obeys the Windows system colors, and I have been using it in dark mode by changing Windows colors. Microsoft, presumably to sabotage classical programs and to push modern UWP apps, no longer allows changing system colors. There is a W…

Microsoft's Windows strategy is baffling to me. They have gone out of their way to fix a lot of their problems (in fact they fixed almost every single nitpick I had about Windows 7 coming from OS X and Linux), and they add a lot of new powerful features, but at the same time they actively seem to be sabotaging themselves at every step. I really don't know what to make of it.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by MiddleEndian »

Zarel wrote: post #86
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #29

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I had a similar thought reading that comment: "Outdated? You mean because it is lightweight, responsive, and native?"

I mean, you don't have to be uncharitable, the UI can be lightweight, responsive, and fast, but they're most likely talking about the usability aspects. The "huge row of inscrutable icons" school of design fell out of favor for good reason – while a few icons (like "Back" or "Close") can be immediately recognizable, when you get to that many, most of them are icons people haven't seen before, and people end up mostly…

You can hide that row of icons, it doesn't show up on mine. There's a checkmark for it in General preferences.

Re: Notepad++ v8 release

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Post by Hasnep »

koheripbal wrote: post #114
unixhero wrote: post #74

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Good. We have got to band together against authoritarianism.

He's against a lot of things - not just authoritarianism. Are you confident you'll remain on the "good side" of his politics forever?

Why would they need to? They could just change their opinion.
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