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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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So when I looked at HarmonyOS when it was announced open source it had nothing to do with Android at all. It was much more Fuchsia like. A modern secure microkernel, message passing and it's own javascript engine, very few drivers. Not exciting, just solid. The total opposite to Android or Samsung.

https://gitee.com/openharmony

This could have been the one renamed to openharmony and LiteOS.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Is that an admission that it makes sense?

No and is completly irrelevant for the subject of security being discussed.

It's relevant because when I go to use git on android and iOS I go hunting through the play store and download some closed source wrapper around it, often with libraries that the developer pulled in that they don't fully understand the behavior of.

By dramatically raising the cost of software maintenance (by decreasing interoperability and because of the heavy API churn) these systems make community maintained software rare which forces users to turn to organizations that are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to share information with their users.

The resulting security situation is dire.

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Well that's exactly my point. They're entire marketing & product strategy seems to be to convince people their stuff has the same reputation / quality as Apple.

And? A brand cannot stand on marketing alone.

And what? What point do you think you’re arguing with me about?

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The only possible explanation for the way Huawei design their UI is to try and trick the non tech savvy into thinking they're buying something that runs the same software as Apple products.

I've bought Huawei phones and tablets in the past. I don't care one whit about the default UI. Samsung's sucked for years before OneUI. LG Mobile (RIP) wasn't good either. The best part of Android is that you can make the interface look however you want.

I mean I just don’t like the practice. Get some originality.

I’d be much more concerned about embedded spyware.

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I've bought Huawei phones and tablets in the past. I don't care one whit about the default UI. Samsung's sucked for years before OneUI. LG Mobile (RIP) wasn't good either. The best part of Android is that you can make the interface look however you want.

I mean I just don’t like the practice. Get some originality. I’d be much more concerned about embedded spyware.

My building has cameras everywhere, and my internet traffic is passed around for anybody in the Five Eyes community to access as they please. I'm not worried about the China boogeyman knowing what Youtube videos I watched.

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Try saying anything against China on this platform and you risk getting flagged and downvoted. I've experienced that already.

I like to binge read the comment history when I bump into someone interesting on HN (which happens quite often). I've seen a few people very critical of China but admittedly they were not talking about Huawei specifically. Their comment history does not seem to back up your observation. Could it be something more specific than China in general?

No. You're right. I'm responsible for my comments and in hindsight a few of those were a bit emotionally driven rather than being objective. But I've been downvoted on my factual comments during Asian business hours and only to rise to positive number the following day during Australian hours. I wasn't trying to see how much karma I'd earned. I just happened to notice this trend on a couple of my comments. It's purely anecdotal and I've no data to prove that it's in fact the general case. I don't know how much fact there is to the Huawei case but the secretive govt that CCP is, I'd be very careful about using their services. I don't want my data ending up in their servers to feed into their algorithms.

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Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

Somebody at Xerox PARC thinks the same about Jobs and Gates every day.

Xerox was allowed to invest in Apple in exchange for that PARC tour.

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This thread is full of suspiciously pro huawei and pro china comments and a lot of legitimate concerns are being downvoted. I've never seen so many grey comments

Try saying anything against China on this platform and you risk getting flagged and downvoted. I've experienced that already.

Even my own comment got downvoted.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Yet as a European I wonder - what with the neofascist takeover attempts powered by post truth and fake news (aka "harmful information") that were successful in Russia, and will probably some day be successful in the US...maybe China is on to something good here?

What if the state itself propagates those "harmful information"? It is a mistake to think that fake news are created spontaneously and that an intervention from above can fix the problem, given that it is plausible to think that they are, in fact, propagated by our media, politicians and state agents. Also, I'd like to highlight that: 1) Putin has risen to power well before the existence of Internet fake news. Comple…

"What if the state itself propagates those "harmful information"

That would be preferable to an enemy doing it, as with the Russia / Trump affair, because your own state has less interest in ending itself than its enemies. Probably close to zero interest.

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