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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Hackernews, dino, FVWM, and vim don't.

If I don't take it slow and give my Pinephone (Community edition with 3 gig of RAM) time to think, I've seen hckrnews crash Firefox on my Pinephone.

Try a good WM like FVWM. Phosh is crazy slow.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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So malware magically ceases to be malware as soon as it’s preinstalled by the vendor?

It wasn't malware to start it. > computer software that is designed to damage the way a computer works https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/malware

"damage the way the computer works" IMO that includes abusing or denying resources or services on the machine which is very common with preloaded stuff.

Also your definition doesn't capture spyware.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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You underestimate the cognitive ability of the masses. 10/10 of people I know buy for the brand.

Well that's exactly my point. They're entire marketing & product strategy seems to be to convince people their stuff has the same reputation / quality as Apple.

And? A brand cannot stand on marketing alone.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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A shamefully ignorant article that--like many of the comments here--utterly misses the technical value of HarmonyOS, which I was able to glean in 5 minutes from looking at the official documentation. Check out the architecture diagram on this page: https://developer.harmonyos.com/en/docs/documentation/doc-gu... HarmonyOS is evidently not a peer competitor with Android or iOS, but a further abstraction layer above the…

If you read the article Ars Technica points out the direct lies Huawei is telling: "no single line of code is identical to that of Android," and in the linked original piece of reporting, "is completely different from Android and iOS." Huawei's top brass doesn't appear to value truthfully disclosing either the provenance of its software or what it actually is so why should I bother with it?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

The problem is that, in general, when a company doesn't respect intellectual property laws or obviously makes use of industrial espionage (and I'm not suggesting either is true for Huawei) they are sending a clear signal that laws do not apply to them. So as a customer why would I trust any company with my most personal health, banking or own intellectual property if that company sees no reasonable limitations to its…

I hadn’t even thought of this consciously: that having such disregard for authenticity also could mean they are playing it fast and loose with other, more important topics such as privacy.

Thanks for this insight

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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IP law favours incumbents. Ignoring IP law has been the fastest way to secure Chinese prosperity, and that is what they did. It makes sense and it doesn't tell us how a Chinese company will treat their customers. Note that despite the argument that IP law promotes invention and creativity Huawei is a world leading tech innovator in 4G. Despite obviously having little respect for IP law. They'll probably discover the…

> IP law favours incumbents. Yes, that is the whole point. IP gives an inventor a reward in the form of limited or no competition for a period of time. > it doesn't tell us how a Chinese company will treat their customers. This is like saying your wearing the wrong running shoes to swim five miles.

Huawei, and I suspect most of China, don't agree that they should be playing by rules that favour foreign incumbents.

It is easy to see how a company could believe that and also believe in treating their customers well. It would be a very competitive company.

> This is like saying your wearing the wrong running shoes to swim five miles.

I don't follow your point but I agree would be foolish to wear running shoes while swimming.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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This thread is full of suspiciously pro huawei and pro china comments and a lot of legitimate concerns are being downvoted. I've never seen so many grey comments

Try saying anything against China on this platform and you risk getting flagged and downvoted. I've experienced that already.

I like to binge read the comment history when I bump into someone interesting on HN (which happens quite often). I've seen a few people very critical of China but admittedly they were not talking about Huawei specifically. Their comment history does not seem to back up your observation. Could it be something more specific than China in general?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Ok, well now I can't do most of the stuff I was doing on GNU/Linux without doing it on a machine that someone else is hosting. So that's still a step backward.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl... Want a GNU/Linux phone? Buy Openmoko, or any other commercial failures that followed them.

Is that an admission that it makes sense?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl... Want a GNU/Linux phone? Buy Openmoko, or any other commercial failures that followed them.

Is that an admission that it makes sense?

No and is completly irrelevant for the subject of security being discussed.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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A shamefully ignorant article that--like many of the comments here--utterly misses the technical value of HarmonyOS, which I was able to glean in 5 minutes from looking at the official documentation. Check out the architecture diagram on this page: https://developer.harmonyos.com/en/docs/documentation/doc-gu... HarmonyOS is evidently not a peer competitor with Android or iOS, but a further abstraction layer above the…

If you read the article Ars Technica points out the direct lies Huawei is telling: "no single line of code is identical to that of Android," and in the linked original piece of reporting, "is completely different from Android and iOS." Huawei's top brass doesn't appear to value truthfully disclosing either the provenance of its software or what it actually is so why should I bother with it?

This is likely taken out of context or a misunderstanding. Or are you implying that DSoftBus, KAS were somehow lifted from Android even though they are kernel agnostic?
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