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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by suction »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Yet as a European I wonder - what with the neofascist takeover attempts powered by post truth and fake news (aka "harmful information") that were successful in Russia, and will probably some day be successful in the US...maybe China is on to something good here?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by Santosh83 »

mosselman wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things?

Perhaps it's time we recognised ideas and concepts are meant to be taken up and extended by other people? That's how humans have progressed these thousands of years. Not by paranoid, corporate silos and NIH syndrome and draconian patents.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by throwaway4good »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by karlp »

Santosh83 wrote: post #10
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Can't the US govt achieve similar levels of censorship by serving NSLs and shutting a piece of information down? They perhaps may not need do it as rigorously as China because the real power lies in private mega-corps. As long as they survive, any old President will do, as long as he's not a loose canon like the last one. I still can't think of a…

> Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers?

Because it's _less_ "baked-in". Germany just recognized their part in a genocide, China has yet to acknowledge the Tiananmen massacre.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by gostsamo »

Santosh83 wrote: post #10
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Can't the US govt achieve similar levels of censorship by serving NSLs and shutting a piece of information down? They perhaps may not need do it as rigorously as China because the real power lies in private mega-corps. As long as they survive, any old President will do, as long as he's not a loose canon like the last one. I still can't think of a…

Yes, there is a difference. I've been in a place where there explain you that the west is just like us, but it is total BS. There is a difference in independent courts, difference in freedom of expression and freedom of protest, there is a difference in a decision being taken by the society and by a small elite that exercise total control over the system. False equivalence is one of the most poisonous arguments that people deploy in order to deflect responsibility.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by qmmmur »

throwaway4good wrote: post #14
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

Yes because software exists in a vacuum? The software is being discussed, and it's a monumental failure that it is hosted and distributed and used the way it is.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by Santosh83 »

karlp wrote: post #15
Santosh83 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Can't the US govt achieve similar levels of censorship by serving NSLs and shutting a piece of information down? They perhaps may not need do it as rigorously as China because the real power lies in private mega-corps. As long as they survive, any old President will do, as long as he's not a loose canon like the last one. I still can't think of a…

> Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Because it's _less_ "baked-in". Germany just recognized their part in a genocide, China has yet to acknowledge the Tiananmen massacre.

Acknowledgement is lip service, especially decades after the fact. If they provide significant compensation, then yes. There is hope for better days for China too, but not by portraying them as unmitigated evil. I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth", especially when the very countries asking for this unrepentant about their own past transgressions costing millions of lives (atomic bombs, Iraq invasion etc.)

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by dragonelite »

throwaway4good wrote: post #3
tvvocold wrote: post #2

related news: https://www.huawei.com/en/news/2021/6/huawei-launches-produc...

Some more hints at what’s in it in the technical release notes: https://gitee.com/openharmony/docs/blob/master/en/release-no... Looks they have added a new JS UI framework at os level. Probably to replace Android eventually. Going pure JS (rather than Android Java or something else) I think will be a big plus for developer adaption.

If I'm not mistaken java can still be used according to the HarmonyOS developer documentation. Hope they will add a wasm runtime in the future. Might be interesting to see how a third non western eco system will develop over the year.

But they should release their sdk in the west soon so people might start tinkering.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by 88840-8855 »

karlp wrote: post #15
Santosh83 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Can't the US govt achieve similar levels of censorship by serving NSLs and shutting a piece of information down? They perhaps may not need do it as rigorously as China because the real power lies in private mega-corps. As long as they survive, any old President will do, as long as he's not a loose canon like the last one. I still can't think of a…

> Honestly is it any less "baked in" than the pre-eminent Western powers? Because it's _less_ "baked-in". Germany just recognized their part in a genocide, China has yet to acknowledge the Tiananmen massacre.

How did they not "acknowledge" it? They did and they do. "They" call it "1989 incident" and despite the Western believe Chinese people are aware of that incident. And yet, most people I have spoken to in my countless trips to China follow the words of Deng Xiaoping that it was worth to sacrifice 3000 lifes for 30 years of stability.

Edit: by the way, it annoys me that I got trolled into posting something totally unrelated within a tech article. Why are all Chinese-related articles turning into exactyly the same direction in the past 3 years? I am tired of that.

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